Speech by Bishop Thomas Dabre at a meeting called by the SIO.
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Summary: Footage from Tellavision Mumbai. Bishop Thomas Dabre of the Diocese of Vasai delivers a speech in which he condemns terrorist acts that lead to the deaths of innocent people and stresses that stereotyping the Muslim community on the basis of acts committed by a group of misled people is wrong. He opines that the use of military action against terrorism does not offer a long term solution to the problem instead, efforts must be made to bring about a conversion in the 'minds and hearts of people' by solving their issues; he also says that this aim cannot be achieved by political endeavors alone and that God's blessings are required too. He concludes on an optimistic note by expressing a vision for a peaceful world, a vision that can be attained with God's help. The speech took place at a meeting called by the Students Islamic Organisation of India: Terrorism - Reality and Solutions.
Bishop Thomas Dabre of the Diocese of Vasai begins his speech by congratulating
the SIO of India for organising the meeting: Terrorism- Reality and Solutions.
TD:My dear brothers and sisters, I am congratulating you... 'hearty congratulations' because you've organised this program today. You have taken a good initiative...How do we fight and oust the terrorism that is going on in the world today.
Khilafat House, Byculla, Mumbai
Khilafat House, Byculla, Mumbai
Students Islamic Organisation
bishop thomas dabre
TD expresses his happiness about being able to come together to discuss the act of terrorism that occurred in America on 9/11. He also expresses regret about the occurrence.
TD: We are present here today to contemplate this issue and this gives me a lot of joy. The terrorism that has occurred in America on September 11 we have come here for a discussion in relation to that. We are very sad about terrorism... the whole world is sad about it.
TD especially congratulates the Muslim community for taking the initiative of organising the event. He talks of the positive experience he has had with the many members of the Muslim community while growing up in Vasai.
TD: ... and so my dear Muslim brothers especially I want to congratulate you and I want to say I'm proud of you for organising a programme like this. And I want to say that I was born and brought up in Vasai... and I can say that my classmates, schoolmates, teachers many of them were Muslims... and my neighbors were Muslims and they had a very good human...
He says that the stereotyping
of the Muslim community on the basis of the actions of a group of people is unjust. He says that these stereotypical perceptions can be changed by building good relations with
the people of different communities.
TD: ... in the minds of other people these images... We can remove these perceptions from peoples minds if we build loving relations with them. So in the first place I want to say that I'm totally opposed to stereotyping of the Muslim community in a very unobjective way, which is grossly unjust to them.
TD continues by expressing that terrorism that leads to the deaths of innocent people should not exist in the world.
TD: ... having said that, I want to say that today we are reflecting on terrorism. Terrorism has no place on the face of the earth. I want to say that terrorism...like the terrorism we had on September 11, where innocent people are killed... if this is terrorism it has no place in this world.
TD says that terrorism is an ideology and it's practice is unethical and immoral.
TD: This dehshatwaad
(terrorism) has no place in our world. This is immoral and we have to concentrate on that. Certainly those who practice terrorism... Terrorism is an ideology and it is an ideology that leads to such practice... and that is unethical and immoral.
TD continues by saying that people who, believe in the sanctity of human life and believe that humans have a right to feel safe and free are opposed to terrorism.
TD: ...Because we believe in the dignity of human beings. We believe that every person in this world should live his life in freedom and security. In an atmosphere of security human beings have to live.
TD expresses his belief in the brotherhood of men. He says that acts of terrorism are against the 'Holy will of God'.
TD: I'm very proud of the message of biradari
(brotherhood) that Islamic community always proclaim, brotherhood of human beings. And we all believe that we are the children of God. So I would like to say in the first place that as we reflect on the reality of terrorism... wherever there is terrorism it is unethical and it is against the holy will of God.
TD says that terrorism is against the 'Holy will of God' because it does not differentiate between innocent people and the guilty ones.
TD: ... Holy will of God... we want to do the Holy will of God. Terrorism is against the Holy will of God. Because terrorism has... does not distinguish between innocent citizens, innocent civilians and the guilty ones.
TD says that terrorists believe their cause justifies the killing of innocent people.
TD: You deal with the guilty ones for your goals. Terrorism is an ideology that believes that for it's goals it can do anything, it can kill innocent human beings. And if that is terrorism I think it has to be rooted out from the face of the earth.
TD emphasizes on the need to wipe out terrorism.
TD: As we reflect on this let us concentrate terrorism. It has to be wiped out... and as we say that terrorism has to be wiped out I also want to say that nobody can support terrorism. If we are the children of God... we are the men and women of God, we are citizens of the world, we believe in humanism.
TD says that violent attempts to wipe out terrorism are not a lasting solution.
TD: ... of humanity. Wherever terrorism is practiced as an ideology it has to be condemned and rooted out. But what is the solution? I want to say that military solution, air-strikes is not the ultimate solution. It is not a lasting solution.
TD says in reference to America's war on Afghanistan,
that if attempts to root out terrorism cause the death of innocent people then such attempts should not be supported.
TD: Whatever action that is taken to root out terrorism we must see to it that no innocent lives are lost. That is a moral responsibility. And therefore whatever action that does not take into account the consequences of that particular action. That sinless, innocent people are being killed... we cannot support this action.
TD is expressing his opinion on military action- as a way to root out terrorism. Then the video cuts.
TD: And so what I want to say is, that military action, air-strikes... if it is just aimed at intentionally rooting out terrorism. If it can be justified under certain circumstances, just to root out...
TD says that the solution of terrorism cannot be attained
by bombing people because it doesn't address the real issues of the people.
TD: Rwanda, Burundi... In different parts of the world we see that bombs and attacks... military attacks cannot be used to find a solution or answer to the problems of the people. We can see that. So with the bombs and weapons you cannot root out terrorism. Because terrorism is born in the minds and hearts of the people.
TD opines that to root out terrorism a conversion must be brought about in their 'minds and hearts'.
TD: Wherever it manifests itself... wherever we witness terrorism, wherever we see it in action. It has already been born in the minds and hearts of the people. And this is why in order to root out terrorism we need to bring about a change in the minds and hearts of people.
TD restates that the solution of terrorism lies in bringing about a change in the 'minds and hearts' of people.
TD: So I want to place before you... that I think to root out terrorism which is unethical and anti-human, we need to bring about the conversion of mind and heart. That I think is the real solution. Because what happened in America... I think the minds were misled of those who took the four planes... the minds were misled. We can say that the minds were not given the right value...
(Video cuts)... right value system.
TD says that the task of converting the 'minds and hearts' of people cannot be achieved by political endeavors alone.
TD: Terrorism is because of murderous anger, terrorism is because of hatred, terrorism is because of retaliation. And this you cannot remove from the minds and the hearts of people only by political... political endeavors or enterprises. And this you cannot with guns and bombs. You have to form the minds and the hearts of people, especially the children and especially the younger people. And that I think is the task before us.
TD thanks the organisers of the symposium and expresses
a hope for peace by quoting
a verse from the Bible. (Isaiah 2:4 and Micah 4:3 in the Bible: They shall beat their swords into ploughshares, and their spears into pruning-hooks; nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more. )
TD: I want to thank you for organising this seminar again. I want to say that in the Bible we have a of humanity, where it is said that there should be a time when the swords will be kept in the plough sheds back... There should be a time... there will be a time when the spears will be kept in the pruning hooks and nation will not lift sword against nation and they will not learn war anymore.
TD expresses his vision of creating a peaceful world in the future and says that we would need God's blessings to attain this vision.
TD: This is the world we need to create for ourselves and for our future generations. And for this we need the blessings of Allah and God. We cannot solve our problems and root out terrorism only by our ability, we need the grace and and strength of God also.
TD says that in times of difficulty we all turn to God.
TD: In secularism there is no sufficient faith in God. But you know that after the terrorist attacks in September they were all praying in America. So in difficulties... in difficulties we realize that we need the blessings of God.
TD he concludes on an optimistic note for a peaceful future by quoting from the Peace Prayer of St Francis of Assisi.
TD: So I'm optimistic... I'm sad because of terrorism in the world but I'm optimistic because there is a supreme power which will give us the right vision and the right values., which will help us to live in peace, in unity, in harmony, and in liberty. I want to quote a prayer composed by saint Francis Assisi. In which he prays ' O
God make us instruments of peace '... paramatma
(the supreme being) make us sadhan
(instruments) of shanti
' Where there is hatred let us sow love.'
st francis of assisi