Madan Naik camera B
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Summary: Part one of a daylong interview on a rooftop, road end and other locations with comrade Madan Naik, who moves to Bombay around 1948 and joins the Communist Party of India (later, Marxist). He is the author of a book on Bombay housing and is the secretary of the Mumbai Rahivasi Mahasangh.
SS: Hello Comrade Madan Naik
SS: Namaste Comrade Madan Naik ji
SS: Aaj hum aapse thoda baat karna chahenge aur hum jaana chahenge jo aapka pravaas raha hai, jo aapki umar jaise ke 75 saale se jyada ho kar gayi hai. Toh aap thoda bataye apne baare mein, thoda Mumbai mein kaise aapka kaise aana hua? Kab aap aayein? Kis tarah se aaye? Aur kis tarah se aapne Mumbai mein pehla kadam rakha toh yeh shehar kaisa tha aur, aur kaise aap ismein phir ghul mil gaye?
SS: We would like to talk to you a little and know about your journey of more than 75 years. Tell us a little about yourself, how you came to Bombay ( Mumbai)? When did you arrive here? How did you get here? How was Mumbai when you first came here and how you mingled within the city?
MN: First of I would like to say, I would like to speak in Marathi so that I can explain myself better. I would like your permission to speak in Marathi.
MN: Sab se pehli baat main aapko bata doon. Main Marathi mein bolunga jara accha tarike se main... mera jo views hai woh accha tarike se rakh sakta hoon. Isliye aap se permission chahta hoon ke main Marathi mein...
SS: Nahi Nahi jaise bhi aapko jamein
SS: No, no whatever you suits you
MN: In 1948, I passed my 7th grade exams which are called the vernacular finals in Marathi. In those days the situation in our country was such that a person who has passed 7th grade would get the job of a school teacher.
MN: Me 1948 saali Marathi vernacular final, mhanje Marathi saatvi jyala mahantat ti iyattaa pass keli aani tya veli aaplya desha madhey ashi paristhiti hoti ki, marathi saatvi paas jhyalelya maansala tabadtob shaala mastaraachi nokri milaychi.
MN: Aatacha sarkha kahi vashile baaji vagaire lagat navhti, kimbahunaa British government la aani aaplya Svatantra Bharatacha sarkae la pan shaala mastaranchi faar garaj hoti aani Marathi saatvi paas hona hi tyachi criteria hota ki tumhala shala master mahnun nokri milel aani tya veli shala mastaracha pagar pan 54 rupaiye hota.
MN: In those days you don't need any influence in fact the British government and independent Indian government really needed school teachers. The criteria to become a teacher was to have passed the 7th grade and one could get the job, and back then the salary was 54 rupees.
MN: But for me.. My maternal uncle who taught me, he was of the opinion that you should study, not take up a job. He said he would come to Mumbai and teach me. He had a big shop at Umargotni but it was my misfortune that same year my uncle died in an accident and therefore for me... I came from a very poor family my mother was always working, my father would cook. Even though we were from a Brahmin family we had no respect. My mother's friends they were farm labourers, could have been from the Dalit community or what we call OBC etc. these women were from that class.
MN: Pan mala asa... Mala majhe mama hote jyani mala shikavla, tyancha asa mahana hota ki tu kai shaalet pudhe mhanje nokri bikri karaichi nahi Mumbaila yeoon mi tula shikavnaar. Tyancha Umbargotni (check) la mothi pedhee vagire hoti pan majha durdaiva mhana ki tyach varshi majhya mamancha apaghati nidhan jhala aani tya mule mala majha atyanta gareeb gharana. Maajhi aai satat kaam karaichi, vadeel svaypaki hote. Brahmin samajaat janam gheoon suddha amahala gaavat kahi maan navhta. Majhya aai maitrini jya saglya hotya tya shetat kaam karnayara mhanje ek tar Dalit samajaatlya kinva aapan tyana OBC vagaire aapan jyala aapan mhanto ashya sherneetlya baikaa hotya.
MN: Brahmin jaatitla koni mahajya aaichi maitreen navhti. Hey muddam me namood karu ichito hyacha kaaran, gareebi la jaat naste ha majha atyanta lahan paana pasoon cha anubhav aahe.
MN: No Brahmin woman was my mother's friend. I want to point this out because, poverty has no caste, this is my experience since my childhood
MN: I would like you about an incident. When I was young, we had a neighbour who was from the Maratha community, they would have milk they had buffaloes and cow so my mother would ask me to bring some milk for tea from them. I was about 5-6 and I would go with a small cup to them.
MN: Me ek gamat saangto tumhala. Lahaan pani majhi aai aamcha shejari Maratha samaajatli bai mhanje kutumb hota tyancha kade doodh asaicha mhashi, gaai vagaire tar aai mala sangaichi, ja tya mauvshi kadna thoda doodh gheun ye chaha la, aani me loti gheoon lahaan 5-6 varsha cha astana jaicho.
MN: Tar ti bai darvaja bandh karoon aaplya svayampak gharat basvaichi aani titha mala khaila dyaychi Bhakri chaha vaigaire karan me tichya gharat basoon khato he doosra koni paahu naye evdha jaatiya vaad,
So that lady, would close the door and ask me to sit in her kitchen and she would give me food to eat Bhakri (bread), tea she did this because she didn't want anyone to see that I would visit her home and eat, there was so much caste discrimination
No one could help the situation and therefore it was very important for me to have a job for my family. I had a younger brother and 3 sisters. It wasn't possible for my parents alone to support all of them and as the elder son it was my responsibility and therefore my father found a man in Mumbai who was willing to provide me food for a month
pan paristhithila koni hey karat navhta tyamule nokri karna faar avashak hota mala kutumbachya. Mahjya pathi mage ek bhau hota aankhi teen baheeni hotya. Tya saglancha paalan poshan karna hey aai vadeelaana kahi shakya hot navhta motha mulga mahnun majha kahi tari kartavya hota aani mhanun Mumbai la majhya vadeelaani ek maansala baghitla aani tyani kabool kela ki ek mahin mi hyala jevaila vadeen. )
aani mag doosrya eka maansani sangitla ki Mumbaieet mi hyala nokri kuthe tari ek mahinyat cha aat mi hyala miloon deyeen. Tyamule mala vadeelaani Mumbai la paathavla
And another man said that I will help him find a job in Mumbai within a month. So, my father sent me to Mumbai.
At the time the mode of transport to Mumbai was ship apart from ships there was nothing else, the Bombay Steam Navigation Company had two ships that operated between Konkan and here , Goa to Ferry Wharf what we call Bhau cha Dhakka in Marathi the ships could arrive there. The tickets from my village which was about 600 kilometers of distance was about 11 rupees.
MN: Tyavele la Mumbai la yenacha saadhan mhanje steamer shivay, boati shivay kahi navhta tya veli Bombay Steam Navigation Company chya don steamer asaichya don boati tya Konkanatlya ikde yayacha Goa, Goa te Ferry Wharf jayala aapan Bhau Cha Dhakka mhanto Marathit mhanje tithe tya boati yaycha aani tyacha ticket hota aamchya gaava varna mhanje javal javal 600 kilometer cha antar 11 rupaiye.
11 rupaiya madhey sakaali 8 vaajta Konkanat je Vengurla port aahe tithe aamhi yeenar aani te yenachi pan tya veli ashi maja hoti ki gaavaatli 25 -30 maansa ekatra jamaichi aani ratri ek bullock cart khatra gaadi jyala aapan Marathi madhey mhanto ti hire karaichi aani saglancha saaman tya Khatra gaadi madhey taakaicha and 30-40 maansani chaalat javal javal 8 kms bandar (port) amchya pasun laamb hota gavapasum. Ratri 12-1 vaajta suru hoaicha aani sakaali 7 vaajta bandaravar aalyaa nantar 8 vaajta Govya varna boat bandarat yaychi. 8 vaajata aamhi boateet chadhaicho dusrya divashi sakaali Mumbai. Asa toh pravaas hota aani tya 48' saali me Mumbai la aalo.
In 11 rupees at 8 in the morning we would arrive at the Vengurla port in Konkan and the fun part of arriving there was that about 25-30 people from the village would come together and in the night a bullock cart which is called a Khatra gaadi in Marathi would be hired and the luggage was loaded in the cart and about 30-40 would walk the port was about 8 kms from our village. We would at about 12 or 1 in the night and by 7 am in the morning we would arrive at the port and at 8 am the boat would reach from Goa. At 8 am we would board the ship and the next day we would reach Mumbai that was the journey and I arrived in Mumbai in 1948.
Mala jyani aanla mahjya barobar te bhau... mala pahilyanda motha aashcharya vaatala Mumbait ki boat jameenla lagte mhanje dhakyala, hey me pahilyandha pahila ma asa kasa. Aamchya Vengurlyala boat laamb ubhi rahaichi aani mag te chote machle jyala aapan padav mhanto tya hoditna aamhi tya boati parayanta jaanar tech mahiti hota tar Mumbait utarlya nantar boat zameenila laagte hey pahoon mala khoop ashcharya vaatla
The man who brought me to Mumbai... the first thing I was really astonished by was that the ship touched the ground or the wharf, I saw this for the first time and I was really amazed. In Vengurla the ship would stop really far and the little canoes what we call padaav in Marathi we would go in the canoes to the ship we only knew that. But after reaching Mumbai and seeing the ship touch the wharf I was really astonished by that.
MN:Kaaran sakaali jehnva bhonge vaajle and boat Bhau chya Dhakkya la Ferry Wharf la laagli tenhva te laal dagle waale sagle dadar laavle boatila aani amhi agdi araamat rastyavar aalo.
When the sirens went off and the ship docked at the Ferry Wharf they put the landing stage and we disembarked very comfortably
MN: Baaher aalyavar je maanoos hote, tyani taanga kela aani taangewalyala sangeetla Girgaon toh challayla la laagla. Mag mi rastya var pahila ki buses dhaavat hotya aani maala ashcharya vatata aaj Mumbaitlya lokaana kadachit hyachaa ashacharya vaatel ki tya veli rastyavar paani marla jaat hota.
We came out and this person who I had come with, he hailed a tonga and told him to go to Girgaon. I noticed there were buses on the roads and I was surprised to see, the people in Mumbai might find this surprising that the roads would be sprayed with water.
MN: Daambri raste and tyachavar Municipality chi gaadi yeoon raste dhuvat hoti. Aani madhech mi pahila ek ashi varna ek chakri la wire takleli aani khaali tan tan tan kareet ek gaadi, tar mi asa ashcharya hey kai? Tar te mala mhanale hyala tram mhantat.
They were taar roads and Municipal vans would come and wash the roads. And in the middle of that I saw there was a circle with a cable wire and below that there was a vehicle that would make a sound tan tan tan, I was really surprised, what's this? He said this is a Tram
And in this Tram. So one day I went to see the Tram and quite shocked to find out the was 2 annas from King's Circle to Sassoon Docks that's the whole of Mumbai you could get in and take a 2 anna ticket go up to Sassoon Docks, it would take about one and half, two hours.
MN: Aani tya tram madhun...mhanun me ek diwashi tram baghaila gelo mala ashcharya vaatla ki don aane ticket. King Circle te Sassoon Docks evdha mhanje sabandha Mumbai varti chadoon 2 annayacha ticket kadhla ki Sassoon Docks paryanta ja deed don taas lagaiche.
Maala aankhi ek ashcharya vaatla me don diwasani firat firat Girgaon madhey Borbhat lane madhey me rahaila hoto aani mi firat firat Charni Road station var gelo aani tyaveli pahila arrey gaaditna hajaaron mansha utartat hajaar mansa chadtaat. Aamhi gaavala ek lorry tyala aamhi laady's mhanaicho lahaanpani ek awaaz aala ki dhaawat rastyavar amhi yaycho laddy's baghaila truck baghaila.
MN: Another thing I found surprising after 2 days of walking around in Girgaon, I used to stay in Borbhat lane and I went strolling to Charni Road station and I saw thousands of people who get off the tram and got in. Back in the village there would be one truck what we would call laddy's as kids and the moment we heard the sound we come running to the road to see the laddy's or truck.
MN: Mumbai madhey hi gaadi hya gaadit mala basaila milel ka? asa mala vataicha aani kadacheet tumhala ashcharya vaatel pan Charni Road station var mi taas taas ubha rahaicho nusta ti gaadi baghaila gaaditna maansa utartaat mansa chadtat. Gaadi yeti, gaadi jaate kai...
Will ever get to sit in one of these vehicles when I came to Mumbai? I would wonder and maybe you will find this surprising that I would wait for hours on Charni Road station just watching the trams. People would get in and out of the trams. The trams could come and go.
In this situation I got a job in a workshop which was run by one of my relatives. They would make tablets there I laugh about it now but back then I didn't know much the meaning of birth control but they would make these tablets and my salary was 30 rupees and I had to pay 23 rupees for my food expenses.
MN: Ashya paristhithi madhey mala mhajyach eka natevaikchya workshop madhey nokri milali. Tithe te tablets kadhaiche aata maala hasu yeta pan tya veli birth control cha artha maala kahi kalat navhta pan tya tablets kadhaichya aani tyaat tees rupaiye pagaar hota aani ek mahinachya jevaniche paise malaa 23 rupaiye dyave laagaiche
MN: This included my meals, lunch and dinner, breakfast and stay everything in 23 rupees. I would give tuition to kids from primary section, 1st, and 2nd grade. They would give me 10 rupees.
MN: Tyachyaaat don time jevan sakaali chaha , raatri jhopna sagla 23 rupayaat. Aani mi ek lahaan mulaanchi shikavni karaicho Primary, pahilya, dusrya vargaat jaanare olakhiche hote te 10 rupaiye dyaayche maala.
MN: Therefore I could send 10 rupees and it would cost 2 annas to send the money order, I would keep the rest of then money with me.
MN: Tyamule Aai la me 10 rupaiye pathavaicho aani 2 anna lagaiche money order la, bakiche paise mhajya keeshaat asaiche.
MN: About 5 -6 months later the factory shut down. A funny thing happened I was handed 60 rupees I thought they increased my salary and that I could now send 25 rupees to my mother. They told me don't come to work from tomorrow. I was in tears, what do I do now?
MN: Ek paach saah mahine gele aani ti factory bandh jhaali. Tyaveli ek gammat jhali ki mahjya haatat 60 rupaiye denyaat aale maala vaatla pagaar vaadhla mi aata mahjya aai la 25 rupaiye paathveen te mhane udya pasoon kaamla yevu nako maala radaila yayla laagla, ki karaicha kai?
MN: Nahi, Nahi aapli factory bandh jhaali. Mag mhaja jo relative jyachi ti factory hoti tyaachi Kalbadevila pedi hoti khara mhanje toh mahja cousin brother me tyacha kade gelo aani tyaala sangeetla ki, maala tees rupaiye kai karaiche aahet? Maala nokri de kuthe tari maala nokri chi garaj aahe. Tar toh mhanla nahi nahi ti factory bandh jhaali tula ek mahinyacha adheek pagaar dila aahe nokri shodh kuthe tari aani toh nighoon gela gaaditoon
MN: No no our factory has shut down. So my relative who owned the factory he had a shop at Kalbadevi actually he was my cousin and I went to him and I said to him, What I do do with the 30 rupees? I need a job please find me a job. So he said no no our factory has shut down and therefore we have given you one month's extra salary, you look for a job and he just left in his car.
MN: I felt really bad and at the time there were some events that were happening in my life, the Sanyukta Maharashtra Movement was at its peak
MN: Khoop vaaeet vaatla maala aani tya veli mahjya jeevanat ashya kahi ghatana ghadat hotya ki Samyukta Maharashtracha andolan Mumbai madhey mothya pramana madhey chalu hota.
Aani tyaamule kahi mitranchya naadana me tya Sabha Bhibha jayaala laaglo. Aani tya velela aamchi saglyancha adarsha hey teen maansa hoti Acharya Atre, S M Joshi, Comrade Dange
MN: And therefore I was influenced by some of my friends I started attending the meetings. At the time we had three role models Acharya Atre, S. M Joshi and Comrade Dange.
MN: Aani hya teeghaancya bhashana madhey, aaj maala jaanavta ki tya velela maala majaa vaataaichi.
The speeches of these 3, at the time I really enjoyed them.
Acharya Atre's personality ; dark, strong build, deep and husky voice and his command over Marathi was so good that his speeches were like (...) if I could best describe it.
MN: Acharya Atreanche vyaktimatva asa hota ki saavla ranga, bardhaar dehyashti, ghoghra awaaz aani Marathi bhaashevar ki itka jabardasta prabhutva hota ki tyancha bhaashan mhanje upaas darbha vindoacha dhabdhaba asa mi tyala mhaneen
In contrast S M Joshi was like quiet Krishna river he was very calm. He would present his thoughts in a way everyone would understand, he was lean, thin and fair.
Tar tyacha ulat S M Joshi mhanje Sant Vaahate Krishna mai aapan jyaala mhanu tasa atyanat shaant shvabhaavache. Aapla mhanana vyavasthit reetina lokana samajhel ashya padhaati kidkidit sad pataal gora varna.
And Comrade Dange's speeches would be a complete political analysis, very sharp scathing and therefore their speeches for us (..) we didn't understand much. I remember all of that now and therefore my landlord was a little angry with me and that I should not attend such meetings when I didn't have any food to eat why should I attend these meetings but it was a instinctive liking.
MN: Aani Comrade Dange hyancha bhashan sampurna pane raajikya Vishleashan assaicha, khochak bolna aani tyamule teeghanchi bhaashana aamhala
Pa[...] parbani hoti tyaveli kaahi kalaicha naahi. Aata te sagla aathavta. Aani tya mule jyacha kade me jevaila hoto tyala thoda sa raag hota mahjyavar ki me hya asha hyacha madhey jaaicha nahi anna nahi khayala aani kasla Samiti chya sabehla vagere jaato. Pan te upjat ek aawad hoti.
And so he told me to take your baggage from here and where do I stay now? This was a big question before me.
Tyamule tyaani maala sangitla ki tu chambugabaalya ki tu uchal aata ithoon aata mi rahaicha kuthe? mahjya samor motha prashna hota.
In those days there was Majestic cinema hall in Girgaon it's not there anymore. But at one point Majestic Cinema was home for Marathi cinema. Lata Mangeshkar's first film that she produced Vaadal ( The Storm) I watched in Majestic Cinema with a 5 anna ticket. There used to be a Hotel Kona opposite Majestic and it exists even today.
Tya veli Girgaon la Majestic cinema aaj nahi pan eke kaali Girgoan cha Majestic Cinema hey Matrathi Chitrapatancha Maaher ghar hota. Lata Mangeshkar ne aayusha madhey pahila chitrapat banavla hota Vaadal, toh mi tya 5 aana ticket kaadhun Majestic cinema madhey pahila hota. Tyacha samor Kona Hotel mhanun hota aaj hi te aahe.
Among the Brahmin hoteliers in Mumbai, Tambe was a huge name Kona Hotel belonged to him. I was standing there. I knew some of the boys from that lane. I would go for these meetings with them, I also acted in some plays with them I thought I would get some support here. I mean I would like to tell how what life in Mumbai can be like.
Mumbai madhey Brahaman samajaat le je Hoteliers hote tyacha madhey Tambe hey khoop motha naav aahe tyancha te hotel Kona Hotel. Titha me ubhaa hoto ki tithlya tya gallit li mula mahjya olakhi chi hoti. Tyancha barobar me hya Sabhaana jaana. Kahi tyancha barobar naatakaat suddha ek don kaam kela hota. Aani itha maala kahi tari aadhar milel. Mhanje Mumbai madhey kasa maansa cha hey asta te saangto.
I was standing there for the whole day and no one asked me, relatives and some familiar people would pass by from a distance near the footpath, what if he asks for something from us in this situation a man named Vishwas Rao I was friends with his sons. It was evening, he was walking in my direction and casually he asked me, Naik what are you up to? I just broke down because no one had bothered to ask me anything, I cried a lot and then he held me close.
Sabandh diwas me ubhaa hoto maala koni vichaarla naahi naatevaik mandali, olakhichi mandali laamb tya footpath varna jaichi, ki na janva aaplya kade kahi maagel asa astana tithe ek Vishawas Rao nawache ek gruhasta jyanchya mulaan barobar majhe sambandh hote, te yet hote sandhya kaali casually tyani maala vicharla kai Naik kai kartoyes? Maala raduch aala karan sakal pasana koni vicharla nhavta, khoop radlo mi aani mag tyani maala khoop jawal ghetla.
Aani maala mhanle, kai jhala tu radtos ka? Tar mi tyaana hakikat sangeet li asa asa jhala. Rahaila jaaga nahi khaicha tar soda pan rahaila pan jaaga nahi tar maala ghari ghevoon gele aani tithe aaj hi ti building aahe, Khataukar Bhuvan jyaala Nikadvari lane asa purvichya naav hota tyala aata Sonhani Path mhantat Majestic Cinemachya samor pahilya malyavar tyanchi kholi hoti tyanche don mulge aani me aani te, Bai kon nahi aamhi tyanche aani maala sangatana ashcharya mhanje bharoon yeta ki. Te mhajya natayat le naahit, mahja tyancha gaon ek nahi, mahja tyancha gaon jawal jawal 200km var laamb aahe faar shi olakh hi nahi pan tari tya maansani maala ek varsha anna ghaatla.
And he said, what happened why are you crying? So, I told him the truth and this happened. No place to stay, no food was still okay but there was no place to stay he took me home and that building is still around, Khataukar Bhuvan which was earlier called Nikadwari lane now it's called Sohani Path it was opposite Majestic Cinema their house was on the first floor, his two sons and me and him. There was no woman around just us, and I find this very surprising... makes me emotional, that this man wasn't related to me, we were not from the same village, my village was about 200km away and I barely knew him but even then that man fed me for a year.
MN: Hey me muddam namud karu ichhito, ki Mumbai madhey ashi maansa suddha aahet ek mekala maddat karnari jithe jaati cha prashna naahi dharmacha prashna naahi hya Mumbai madhey saglya Dharmala maanare, saglya panthana maanare, saglya paristhithi madhey charnaare, log ekopyane raahatat hey Mumbai cha pahila vaisheeshtha asa mi svanubhavana sangeen.
MN: I would like to specially point this out, that there are such people in Mumbai as well who help each other and there is no debate about Caste, religion in this Mumbai people of all religious faiths, of all creeds, people from different backgrounds people stayed with unity and this was the main attribute of the city I would say with this from personal experience.
MN:Tya vele la ji Mumbai mi pahili ti kashi hoti aaj Mumbai cha Chitra badalta aahe, tya velea sadharanta Girgaon paasun te Naigaon paryanta ha jo bhaag hyala Girangaon mhanaiche aane bahutek sagli madhyam vargeeya karmachari aani kaamgaaranchi vasti hya bhaagaan madhey hoti
The Mumbai that I saw back then how it is today, the picture of Mumbai is changing, at the time from about Girgaon up to Naigaon this area was called Girangaon (Mill Village and most of the people were middle class workers and these areas were where most of the workers lived.
Even today if you read the names of these places , there were no towers there they have come up now. Back then there were only hamlets. The chawl where Lokmanya Tilak started the Ganesh festival celebration 100 years ago that Keshavji Naik chawl is a two floored chawl on two sides and in the centre there is big lane and each building would have 100 rooms and very simple. A 10 x15 or 10x12 sq feet room and that would fit the entire household and in one corner it would have two washrooms and bathrooms etc. and the common light meter and all the people lived very happily they didn't find it inferior or anything
MN: Girgaon madhey aaj hi tumhi jar tya vibhagachi naava vaachli tithe kuthe tumhi tumhala tower disnaar nahi tya veli nhavta aata jhaali. Tyaaveli saglya waadya hotya. Lokmanya Tilakaani 100 varshaan purvi Ganeshotsav saajara kela ti Keshavji Naik chawl ashya don majli chaali aahet doni baajula mahdey mothi galli aahe aani ek eka imaarati madhey 100 kholya aahet aani atishay saadhi raahani. 10 by 15 kinva 10 by 12 chi room aahe tycha madhech sagla savsaar aani ek koprya madhey don sandaas don bathroom vagere asa light che meter common aani sagli mansa asa gura govinda ni rahataat tyanna tithe kahi kameepana vaatat nahi aahe.
Even today if you read the names in Girgaon Fanaswadi, Kulhachiwadi (check) Keshavji Naik chawl, Sadashiv Cross Lane. Gaaiwadi, Sahakari Tabela, Kranti Nagar, Pratharna Samaj, Pendsewaadi, Ambewaadi, Ramchandra chawl, Tarabaug Lane, Khetwadi all these areas in Girgaon or if you came to Lalbaug Parel you see that picture Ganesh Galli.
MN: Tasa Girgaon madhey aaj te saglya bhaga madhey naava jari vaachli tari tumchya lakshaat yeeil Fanaswadi, Kulhachiwaadi, Keshavji Naik chawl, Sadashiv Cross Lane. Gaaiwadi, Sahakari Tabela, Kranti Nagar, Pratharna Samaj, Pendsewaadi, Ambewaadi, Ramchandra chawl, Tarabaug Lane, Khetwadi hey te sagle Girgaonaat le bhaag aahet, kinva tumhi Lalbaug Parel la aalat tar te chitra tumhala dista Ganesh Galli.
Aaj jo jyaala aapan Lalbaug cha Raja mhanto toh tya kaali Garam Khaadyacha Ganpati mhanun olakh la jaat hota aani toh Kolneecha Ganpati. Aaj toh khoop motha aahe aata tyaala Amitabh Bacchhan hi baghaila yeto, Sachin Tendulkar hi baghaila yeto, Amit Shah, Delhi varun, pan toh khara Kolineen cha Ganpati aahe tithe maasli market hota, aani hya kolinee roj hya Ganpati saathi vargani dyaychya 4 anne, 2 anne rupaiya, don rupaiye ase aani varshacha pan tya Ganpati cha ek vaishishta hota je aaj hi kaayam aahe.
Today what we call the Lalbaug cha raja back in the day it was known as Garam Khaadyacha Ganesh and that Ganpati was the fisherwomen's Ganapati. Now it's become a big Ganesh and Amitabh Bachchan comes to visit, Sachin Tendular also comes, Amit Shah, from Delhi. But actually it is the fisherwomen's Ganesh there was fish market there and these fisher women would contribute something for the Ganesh festival everyday 4 annas, 2 anna, 1 rupee, 2 rupees throughout the year, but there was a unique attribute to this Ganesh that continues even today.
Aaj jari tyala Lalbaug cha Raja mhanun khoop jag bhar prasiddha asli tari tyaani aapli purva pithika aadhesh sodleli naahi karan te vaishisth asa hota ki Mumbai shahara madhey mahjya mahiti pramaane haa ekach ganpati asa aahe ki jo purna panaane Muslim vasteet na jaato purna panaane aani Muslim vastitli lok tyachavar pushavrushti kartat itkach nahi tar Muslim baika aaplya mulaana aanoon Ganpatichya paaya var thevtaat. Jo prakaar aaj hi chaalu aahe
Even though it is popular all over the world as Lalbagcha Raja they haven't gone away from their lineage and this unique feature was in all of Mumbai this is the only Ganesh that goes via a complete Muslim settlement and the people from these Muslim neighbourhood shower flowers on him not just that but Muslmim women bring their kids to the feet of the Ganesh idol.
1992 saali jenvhaa Mumabi madhey motha danga jhaala tenhva maala aathavta Policeaani hya lokana Muslim vastit na Ganpati nhailaa manai keli pan te log mhanle naahi aamhi jaanar ... te mahanle kai kara, pan aapan mala sangta mi hoto tya miravnookeet tya veli taroon vay hota aani hech sagle karat asat aani tya Zakeria Masjid samor aamhi aalo Delai Road la lokaani ashi pulha bandhli hoti aani Ganpati var dhad dhad pusphavrushti.
In 1992 when there was a big riot in Mumbai that time I remember the Police had prohibited them to take the Ganpati through the Muslim neighbouhood but they said no, we will go... they said do what, but ssince you tell us I was there in that procession I was young back then and we would do these things and we reached in front of the Zaekria Masjid on Delai road and people had tied these flowers and there was a shower of flowers on the Ganesh idol.
Aani javal javal ek hazaar lokana tyaani thanda paani chaha, biscuita khaaila deli aani mothya adaarana toh Ganpati sabandha Null Bazaar, Behndi Bazaar, Pydhonie, saglya Muslim vastit na firat firat sakaali 6 vaajta Girgaon Chowpatty la phochto hey tya Ganpaticha vaishista aahe. Doosra kuthla hi Ganpati asa jaat nahi toh aaplya margani jaato pan Muslim vastitna aani Muslimaana kadum satkaar karun ghenaara ha ekmeva Ganpati aahe.
And they served about a 1000 people cold water, tea and biscuits and the Ganesh traveled from Null Baaar, Bhendi Bazzar,to Pydhonie all Muslim neighbourhoods and reached Girgaon chowpatty I think 6:00 morning, this is distinctive feature of this Ganesh. No other Ganesh takes this route they stick to the their route, but this is the only Ganesh that goes through Muslim neigbourhoods and gets honoured by the Muslims.
Just because he's called the Lalbaugcha Raja ( King of Lalbaug) I don't have anything attached to it, according to me that Ganesh belongs to the fisher-women but he has this unique quality about hum that the people of Mumbai should preserve.
Toh Lalbaug cha raja aahe mhanun maala kahi tyacha baddal hey vaatat nahi, mhajya drushti ne toh Kolneen cha Ganpati aahe Pan tyache he vaishista aahe aani hey Mumbaikaraani japla pahije asa mala vatata.
SA: Aata pan hech route ghete Laalbaug cha raja?
MN: Ho, aata pan aata pan, aata paryant
SA: Sagla hey?
MN: Ho, ho
SA: All these places? Even now they take the same route?
MN: Yes, even today, even today.
MN: Yes, yes
MN: Toh Ganpati roj... aata 27 tarikhela tumhi vaatlech tyachi shooting kara sakaali 10 vaajta start hoeel aani dusrya diwashi sakaali 6 vaajta shevti Girgaon Chowpatty la jaeel karan tyacha route evdha laamb aahe. Aani he Muslim loka tyala Kaampthipurat neoon sodtaat toh paryant sagle tyacha barobar asnaar kuthe hyala daga fatka hovu naye. Kamaathipura gelya nantar 100 takke Hindu vasti aahe tyamule tithoon te maage firtaat. Hey atyant mhanje Mumbai chya lokana kalale ki ek tari asa Ganpati aahe jo Hindu Mussalmaananchi eki hi ekatra thevnyacha prateek aahe.
That Ganesh everyday... now on the 27th if you wish you can shoot that at 10:00 am it will start and the next day at 6:00 am the Ganesh would reach Giragoan Chowpatty because his route is really long and the Muslim people go with along with the Ganesh up to Kamaathipura they stay with him so that there's no harm to the idol. After Kamaathipura it's a complete Hindu neighbourhood so they turn back from there. This is extremely I mean the people of Mumbai should understand that there is one Ganesh that is a symbol of Hindu - Muslim unity.
After that in this city Mumbai
MN: Tyachanantar hya mumbai Shaharaa madhey.
One minute, you mentioned a riot which year did you say it was?
It was 1992? No you said you were young
It was 1992
SA: Ek minute, dangaa tumhi bolala koncha varsha madhey?
SA: 92 cha? nahi tumhi bolaat tarun vai hota
MN: 92 cha
After that I told you what the state of the buildings used to be like and in Mumbai there would be boards on the chawls, Room to let, Rent Rs 20. The room would be painted and a person would pay about 3 or 4 months rent, and would shift in.
MN: Tyachanantar Mumbai madhey building chi kai awastha hoti mi aaplyala saangitla aani Mumbai madhey chaali varti board laaglele asaiche, Ghar bhadyaani dene aahe bhaade 20 rupaiye. Colour bilar kadhlele kholi Manoos jaycha aani 3 mahine cha bhaada 4 mahinyacha bhaada deposit aani rahaila jaaicha.
MN: Gammat ashi hoti ki maansa kami hoti aani kholya jaasta hotya, tyamule girahak aala pahije, ha jo dhanyaat la ek prakaar aahetoh tithe hota, pan halu halu Britishaani aaplya faaydya saathi ka asena pan Mumbai madhey audyogikaran shuru kela Industrialisation jhala aani tyacha parinam mhanun Mumbai madhey girnya aalya
The funny thing was there few people and the rooms and there were more rooms and so you needed to get more customers the rule of business applied to this as well but slowly the British even if it was for their own profit they started industrialisation and the result of that was Mumbai had mills.
Mumbai madhey je audyogikaran jhala aahe tyachi suruvaat girnya paasum jhaaleli aahe aani mi pahila aahe ki tya veli girni madhey weaving master ha faar motha officer and jobber. Toh weaving master jobber la sangaicha ki udya maala weaving department madhey kinva dyeing department madhey maala ek 25 maansa pahije aahet. Ki jobber aaplya gaavala jaanar 25 -30 mula pakadnaar tyancha education qualification kahi nahi, medical nahi, tyancha interview naahi, tyaana aanoon laavla. Aani saglyaat highest salary Mill madhey milat asat.
The industrialisation in Mumbai started with mills and I have seen at that time, the weaving master in the mill was a big officer and the jobber. The weaving master would tell the jobber that tomorrow I need about 25 people in the weaving department or dyeing department. The jobber would go to his village and would get 25- 30 boys, there was no criteria for their education or qualification there was no medical tests, no interview and they would just join. The mills paid the highest salary.
MN: Tyamule toh nokri la laagla girneet ki tabadtop tyacha lagna hoicha aani Mumbai madhey aajo hi tumhi gelaat tar Delai road kinva tya bhagaa madhey Gaale naavacha ek prakaar aahe mhanje ekach room pan gaavaatlya lokana ekatra yeoon ghetleli room mhanun tyala gaalya mhantaat aani tya bhinti la ashya falyaa maarlya aahet.
The minute he got a job in the Mill he would get married immediately and even today if you visit Mumbai, Delai road or in that area there was this thing called Gaale which means just one room but people from one village who have bought that room collectively so it was known as Gaalya and one side of the walls there were planks fitted
Ek eka room madhey 25 -25, 30 -30 maansa rahaichi. First shift la gelela maanus, second shift la gahri yaycha aadhi second shift vaala gela tya faliwar toh jhopla mag toh second shift waala gela ki third shift waala yeoon jhopla aani ek koni tari bai jevan karaichi ti hya saglyaan jevan beevan denaar. Ashya tarikicha hey Mumbai madhey aani jasa jasa audyogikaran vaadhla tasa saahajikach, mhanje jo thodasa abhyaas kela toh barobar aahe ki naahi maala maheeti nahi.
In each room about 25- 30 people lived.When the guy who went in for the first shift ,he would come back by then the second shift guyhe would sleep on that plank, when the second shift guy left, the third shift would come and sleep and there would be one woman who would cook for everyone. This is how the situation was in Mumbai and as the industrialisation increased it was obvious, I don't know if the study I did back then was right.
From the study that I did back then what I understood was that of the total cost of investment about 35% of that cost was in between Mumbai and Pune and the reason behind this was, in the end the businessman has nothing to do with the city, he has nothing to do with the people he is only concerned about his profit.
Pan me tya veli jo abhyaas kela tyachat na maala asa kalala ki Hindustanaat je total bhaandvalacha investement jhaaleli aahe, tyachaat la 35 takke bhaandval hey Mumbai aani Poona hya patya madhey jhalela aahe tyaacha kaaran asa aahe ki shevti business man hyaala shaharcha kahi ghena dena nahi tumcha lokancha kaahi ghene dena nahi, tyacha sambandha aaplya faaydya shi asto .
And therefore wherever he got proftit , and what is essential to make profits? A great trasnport system, the availability of raw materials, cheap labour and a marker for the the finished product. If you want to go into this world then you need to arrange for transport. And all of these things were available in Mumbai
MN: aani mhanun jithoon tyaala faayda milel. Faayda milnyaa saathi kai goshti aawashak aahet? Tar uttam transport chi vyavastha kaccha maal tyaachi availability, swastha kaamgaar, aani finished product la market. Kinva jagaa madhey jaicha asel tar tithoon sagli transport chi vyavastha. Aani hya saglya goshti Mumbai madhey available hotya.
Poonyacha patya madhey available hotya tyamule te sagla bhaandaval hya bhaaga madhey aala aani tyacha parinaam jyaala kadachit tumchya ingrajee bhaashey madhey aapan uneven development vagaire mhanu tasa visham development jhaali aani tyacha parinaam mhanun khede gaavaatli lok mag ittar praantaatle lok suddha hya Mumbai shaharaat yaayla laagleet.
These were all available in Pune and therefore all those costs came to Mumbai and the result of all this was, what you may call in English 'uneven development' there was unequal development and the result of this was that people from the villages and people from other States started coming to Mumbai
Aani yaayla laaglyaamule gharanchi kamatarataa vaysli (check) aani Mumbaitlya zameenila aani gharaana evdhaa jabardasta bhaav yaayla laagla tyaachat na paagadi cha janama jhaala, Mumbai la paagadi hey aata lokana common vatata pan tya veli naveen hota, karan baaki kahi nahi. Tyamule mag laakh don laakh rupaiye jya jya bhagaa madhey tevdha dya tyacha kahi nahi teen mahinyacha bhaadyachi deposit fakta tumhala dyaycha aani tumhi rahaicha tumhi jehnva kadhi vikoon jaal, tar tumhi vikatanaa paise yeteel tyaachatle 30% rakkam maalaka dyaychi ashya prakaar cha vyavahaar Mumbai Madhey suru jhaala
And because people started coming( check) and property and homes in Mumbai now would get such terrific price and this was how the "Paagaadi" system came into place. People in Mumbai find Paagadi common now, but back then it was new, because then one would pay lakh two lakhs and pay about 3 months deposit and you could stay whenever you sold it you would have to pay 30% of that money to the owner this and this is the type of practice that started in Mumbai
Aani mag halu halu hya saglyaa prakaraat na Mumbai chya jameenala jehnva Platinum cha haav yayla laagla tehnva hey audyogik je dhanna shet aahet ( check) tyancha ek dhoran, malaa mi kay arthashaastrajnya nahi kinva rajakiya tajnya naahi, pan je anubhavanta me pahila.
And then gradually when all of this led to the real estate prices in Mumbai matching Platinum rates that's when the industrial the ( check) have a policy, not mine I'm not a economist or a political expert but what I have seen through my experience
MN: hya lokancha ek dhoran asta jo paryanta sarkaar kadna aaplyala faayda milto toh paryanta titha rahaicha mag lagech dusri kade mag aaplya sarkar cha dhoran jitha kahi dhande naahit titha jo kon ughadel tyaala hya facilities tax madhey sahulat, jameen swasthaat ashya ghosti tyaccha faayda ghenya saathi te tikade aale aani mhanun he je tumhi pahila purva aani pashchim upanagaraa madhey Mumbaichya 1962 saali mothya pramana madhey industrialisation jhaala aaj aapan Bhandup madhey ubhe aahot.
These people have a policy till the time we are getting some benefit from the government till then you should stay there and then move to some other place and then it was the policy of our government where there are no businesses and if someone starts it then they would get these facilities they would get a tax subsidy, the land would be cheap things like that to make most of this opportunity they came there and therefore you saw that in 1962 in the eastern and western suburbs of Mumbai there was massive industrialisation, today we are in Bhandup.
MN: If you start from here then you will see in Ghatkopar, Hindustan Ferodo,
MN: Ferodo. Opposite that was ( not clear) means Anacin, next to that was Wyeth Laboratory opposite that was Godrej there were all these small scale industries Asha Usha compound is very well known.
MN: Ithoon jar tumhi suruvaat keli tar Ghatkoparchya hyaala tumhala disel Hindustan Ferodo,
MN: Ferodo. Tyacha samor chya bajula ( not clear) mhanje Anacin, tyacha bajula Wyeth Laboratory tyacha samor Godrej ikade sagle small scale industries Asha Usha compound mhanun prasiddha aahe.
If you come ahead there is India Tube Mills, ahead of that is Birla, ahead of that Ciba, after that Ceat tyres, ahead of that GKW all these factories came here and naturally all the workforce came here
Pudhe aalat tumhala India Tube Mills tyaacha pudhe Birla, tyachaa pudhe Ciba, tyachya pudhe [...], tyachya pudhe Ceat Tyre, tyacha pudhe GKW hey ase sagle karkhaane ikade aale aani sahajikach toh sagla kaamgaar ikade aala.
MN: Aata, Sarkarcha kaam asa aahe ki hey sagla karat astana mhajya maahitee pramaane jo Industrial Act aahe tyachamadey ek (not clear) aahe, ki tumhi kaarkhaanaa ubhaartana kaamgaaranchya garaanchi soyi keli pahije, kuthlya karkhanya nimitee. Te mhaney hey sarkar cha kaam aahe.
Now, the job of the government that while doing all of this, as per my knowledge in the Industrial Act there is a (not clear) that when you build a factory you need to make arrangements for the workers, for any factory but this was the job. They said this is the government's job.
MN: Actually, this would benefit the financier, let me tell you how. When the worker stays next to the factory when he goes to work his efficiency is 100% he works with sincerity, because he lives close to the factory he doesn't bunk work that benefits the financier. But they didn't want it.
MN: They wanted everything for free and that's what gave rise to the slums. This why slums came into being.
MN: Khara mhanje tyaachaat bhaandval daarancha faydaa aahe. kasa te me saangto tumhala. jehnva kaarkhanyacha shejaari kaamgaar rahaila jaato tenhva to kaamavar jaatana tyachi efficiency 100 takke available aste titya pramaanik panaane toh kaam karto kaarkhanyacha shejaari rahat aslyaamule tyaache khaade hot naahit tyaacha faydaa bhanvaldaaraala hoto. Pan tyaana te nako hota.
MN: Tyaana sagla fukat pahije hota aani mhanun mag hya jhopadpatticha janma jhaala jhopadpatti ji janmaala aali ti tyaacha mule
MN: If we think about slums and if we go back to India's history then if it's Chatrapati Shivaji Maharaja's history or India's golden era and all the historians have mentioned Chandragupt Maurya, Samudra Gupt they have mentioned Emperor Ashoka in all this history you will not see the birth of any slums. East India Company and slums there is some equation there.
MN: Tasa jar aata jhopadpatti cha vichaar kela tar aapan Bharatacha ithihaas jar tyacha maguva ghetla tar Chatrapati Shivaji Maharajancha itihaas asel kinva Bharatacha survarna yug mhanun jya saglya ithihaas karaani Chandra Gupt Mauryacha ulekha kela Samudra Guptacha ulekha kela Samrat Ashoka cha ulekha kela hya sgalya ithihaaasa madhey tumhala kuthe hi Jhopadpatti cha janama disat naahi. East India Company aani jhopadpatti hyancha kuthe tari sammikaran aahe.
MN: Aani mhanun maala asa mhanaicha aahe kaadacheet mi chook aseen mi kai tyachaat la arthatagyna naahi. Pan bhandavalshahi samaaj vyavastha aani jhopadpatti hyancha kuthe tari anya anya sambandha aahe toh kasaa aahe te detail maala saangta yenaar naahi pan je chitra aahe te asa aahe aani tyaachaamule he jhopadpaati ji nirmaan tyaala anek goshti ek tar hey kaaran ki kaamgaaranchi ti garaj aani dusra, sarkaar che kaahi kaayde.
MN: And therefore I want to say and maybe I'm wrong about this I'm not an expert. But capitalistic society and slums have some connection, how it is connected I may not be able to tell the details but the picture is like this and that's why the slums were created there are many reasons, one of them being this the worker's needs and the second the laws of the government
MN: I would like to congratulate the Maharashtra government for one thing that, Maharashtra is the only government State government which introduced the Maharashtra Slum Areas (Improvement, Clearance And Redevelopment) Act in 1971. No other State government has till date made such a law.
MN: Maharashtra sarkaar cha me ekaa baabteet abhinandan kareen ki, Maharashtra ekamevya asa sarkaar aahe raajya sarkaar ki jyaani 1971 saali Galichchha Vasti (Nirmoolana Nishkaasana Aani Punarvasana) ha kaayda banavla. Tehvda kaayda aaj paryanta dusrya kuthlya hi State government ni banavlela naahi.
SS: Should we stop for a bit?
SS: Thoda rukenge abhi?
MN: I told you that Vishawas Rao gave me food for year and in that span of time I entered the Samyukta Maharashtra politics. But on the other hand I didn't have the right to live, but some of friends helped me find a job of an office peon
MN: Me aaplyala mhanaalo ki Vishwas Rao ni ek varsha jevan ghaatla aani tya kaala vidhi madhey maajha Samyukta Maharashtracha Raajkarana madhey pravesh jhaala. Pan dusrya baajula jagnyacha adhikaar maajhyaa kade navhtaa, pan majhya kaahi mitraani maala ek nokri milvoon deli shipaaeechi.
Fort la Dalal Street varti Kolatkar Dandekar Chartered Accountant naavacha ek karyalaya hota aaj aahe ki naahi maaala maheet nahi. Titha maala interview laa jaayala saangeetla.
There was a Kolatkar Dandekar Chartered Accountant office on Dalal Street at Fort. I don't know if it exists today. I was to go for an interview there.
MN: There was a manager there by the name of Murthy. He interviewed me and said, Babu will you work with us? I told him, Sir I wasn't born to be an office peon but I won't cheat you. I let you know and leave but I really need the job and gave me the job and immediately asked me to wash the cups, I washed them and because it was a Chartered Accountant's firm going to Income's Tax, Sales Tax I learnt to move around Mumbai.
MN: Titha Murthy naavacha ek manager hota. Tyaani maajha interview vaigere ghetla aani maala mhanaale, Babu aamchya kade tu kaam karnaar ka? Me tyaana mhanaalo, Saheb sipayacha kaam karnya saathi me kahi janama ghetla naahi pan mi tumhala fasavnaar naahi. tumhi jaaicha asel tar ja sangoon jaeen pan maala nokari aaj faar garaj aahe tyaani maala thevla. Lagech te chaha che cup beep dhoovaila saangitle, dhootle bhaandi ghaasli aani chartered accountant cha office aslyamule income tax, sales tax vagaire hya theekaane jaana tyamule me Mumbai firaaila sheeklo.
MN: I saw what Mumbai is like and in my free time I would look at the account books that would come to Chartered Accountant's I would check them as pastime and our manager Murthy he would watch me carefully
MN: Mumbai kai aahe hey me baghitla aani me faavlya vela madhey te je Chartered Accountant kade je saglya hishobaachya vahyaa yaaycha te virangula mhanun te check karaaicho, aani te aamche manager hote te Murthy mhanun te baareek laksha deoon mhajya kade baghaiche.
MN: A year went by and he told me, Babu you don;t go home today, wait for sometime I want to speak to you and in the evening when we left work, even today that restaurant Ramdev is around but now it's very modern it's on Dalal Street it's there even now.
SS: Yes... it's there
MN: Asa ek varsha nighoon gele aani maala te mhanaale, Babu tu aaj ghari jaoo nakos jaraa thaamb maala bolaicha aahe tujhyashi aani sandhyakaali office sutlyavar, aaj hi te hotel aahe pan aata faar adyaavata hotel aahe Ramdev. Dalal Street varti te hotel aaj ji aahe
SS: Ho... Aahe
MN: Aata te adyaavata ekdum. Pan tya veli typical South Indian hotel hota te aamhi tithe jaaoon ek idli sambhar aani coffee ghetli aani tyaani maala vichaarla, Babu tula ingrajee yeti ka? Me mhatla A, B, C D yeti.
Now it's become very modern. But back then it was a typical South Indian hotel and we had a idli sambhar and coffee and he asked me Bau do you know English? I said I know A, B, C, D
MN: He gave me two books by Rajagopalacharya Ramayana and Mahabharta which were in English. He told me read these books, I said, Sir I don't understand the words in English. So it was decided that, every day he would give me a list of 20 words written in English with the Marathi meaning and I was supposed to learn these and then from there I would understand the sentence formation and the fun part was because I was born a Brahmin I had Ramanyana and Mahabahrta a lot.
MN: Tyaani maala don pustaka dilee. Rajagopalacharya yaani lihile hoti Ramayan aani Mahabharat ingrajee madhey hoti. Mhanale hi pustaka vaach mhatla saheb maala kahi shabdha mahitach naahi ingrajee che. Ma asa tharla ki te roj maala 20 shabdha lihoon detil ingrajee and marathi artha aani me te paath karaicha aani tyachaat na vaakya rachana karat gammat ashi hoti ki me Brahman kulaat janma ghetla aslyamule Ramayan, Mahabharat me khoop vaachla aahe.
MN: I had read the texts so I knew the story and one thing about Rajagoplacharya's books was that in the whole book there were no complex sentences etc all of it was in Simple sentences so it was easy to understand and after a year I could read the book fluently.
MN:Grantha vaachla aahe tyamule ti kathaa aamahlaa sagli maahit hoti aani Rajgopalacharyaanchya tyaa pustakaatacha vaishista me asa sangeen ki tya sabandha pustaka madhey ek hi jod vaakya nahi. Jyaala aapan complex sentence vaigaire mhanto tasa naahi aahe sagle Simple sentences saral vaakyaat tyaamule kalailaa hi te sopaa jaata aani ek varsha nantar fluently te pusktak vaachaila sheeklo.
MN: Maala Muthry mhanaale ki, Babu tu abhi nokri chodo. Tune bolaa tha na peon ka kaam karne ke liye main nahi aaya hoon abhi jaao. Abhi tumko angrezi aati hai. Tar me tyaana mhatla ki, saheb maala kuthe tari nokri laava, vichaar kela mhatla udyaa bhet .
Mn: Murthy said to me, Babu you leave this job now, you had said to me that you didn't come to do the job of a peon now you may go. You know English now. So I told him, Sir you help me find a job, he thought about it and said meet me tomorrow.
MN: Dusrya diwashi tyaani maala ek patra dila. Tyaancha ek mitra hota Raghavan mhanoon tyancha office Chowpatty la bridge varti Sukh Sagar building aahe tyacha dusrya maalya varti aani te Film Distributor che office hota tithe he Production Manager mhanoon hote Raghavan aani navyaane tyaanchakade picture tyaani release kela hota, tyaa pciture naav hota Rajkumar tyachaa madhey Shammi Kapoor, Sadhana, Pran, Om Prakash aani gaani atishay sundar Saptaranga madhey toh cinema hota.
MN: The next day he gave me a letter. He had a firend called Raghavan and his office was at Chowpatty on the bridge in the Sukh Sagar building on the second floor and it was Film Distribution company and Raghavan was the Production Manager there. They had a released a new film the film was called Rajkumar it had Shammi Kapoor, Sadhana, Pran, Om Prakash and the music was really beautiful. The film was in colour.
SS: Aapko yaad hai kuch gaane?
MN: Haa, abhi itna yaad nahi lekin bahut mast gaane the. Woh gaane upar bahut Golden Jubilee thi
SS: Do you remember some songs?
MN: Yes, I don't remember it too well but they were amazing songs. The songs became Golden Jubliee Hits.
MN: Raghavan maala mhanaale tu aamchya representative cha kaam karsheel ka? Mhane kelala naahi aahe pan kareen. Theek aahe mag hey print ghe udya Jamnagar la ja aata mahjya pudhe maala Mumbai pura mahiti naahi tar Jamnagar kasa kalnaar
SS: Kaam kya tha woh?
MN:Raghavan asked me will you work as our representative? I said I haven't done it before but I will do it. He said okay, take this print and go to Jamnagar and I said to myself I don't know the whole of Mumbai how will I go to Jamnagar?
SS: What was the work?
MN: It was like this, the representative's job is that he has to take the print to the Theater where the film would release and hand the print to the to theater owner and when the screenings begins, check on the daily collections and send a daily report to Mumbai office and apart from that the film publicity is going well and if duplicate tickets are being sold then one has to do all the inquiry and take action so this was what I had to do and my salary was 200 rupees and I would get a per diem of 4 rupees and 12 annas. The company would sponsor the travel and the theater owner would arrange the stay.
MN: Woh asey tha ki tya representative cha job asa asto ki tyaani print gheoon jya theater madhey ti picture release honar aahe titha jaoon pahila kaam mhanje te print maalakachya taabayaat dyaychi mag screening suru jhaala, aani rojcha collection kiti yeta te checking karoon tyacha report Mumbai office la pathavaicha shivai filmcha publicity barobar hote aahe ki nahi tyachavar laksha thevaicha shivai jar duplicate ticket vaigaire vikri hot asel tar tyaachi sagli inquiry karoon tyachavar action ghyaycha ashya prakaar cha maala donshe rupaiye pagaar aani roj chaar rupaiye baara aane kharcha la. Jaanya aanyacha ticket cha kharcha company rahaila jaaga tithla toh Theater maalak denaar asa vyavastha.
MN: Aani me Jamnagar la gelo maala saangyaat aala ki Bombay Central la Saurashtra Express pakadaichi ti dusrya divashi Viramgam la sampel. Tu aaraamasheer jhop aani samorchya platform kade dusri gaadi choti gaadi ubhi asel tyaachaat bedhakak jaoon bas ti tula Jamnagar la gheoon jaanaar tya pramaane me gelo.
So I went to Jamnagar I was told to take the Saurashtra Express from Bombay Central which would end it's journey at Viramgam. I was told to sleep comfortably and on the opposite platform there would be another small train go sit in that with hesitating that train will take you to Jamnagar and so I went according to that
MN: I got off at Jamnagar station when the porters saw the bag they came running towards to me an asked me, sir have you brought a film? I was really surprised and I felt I had become a big man and I took the film to the theater. There was an incident there I think the people of Mumbai should know about it. For two or three days the film was houseful andon the third day I was standing on the second floor and downstairs a jeep stopped and it had a Marathi couple.
MN: Jamnagar station var utarlo tar ti bag bagheetlya var hamaala dhaavat aale kya saab picture laaye kya. Maala ascharya vaatla arrey me koni tari, khoop motha maanoos jhaalo aani picture gheoon mi Theater var gelo. Tithe ek ghatana ghadli, ti Mumbai madhey aaj Mumbaichya janate la aaj kalana faar aavashak aahe. Don, teen, diwas jhaale picture houseful jaat hota aani teesrya diwashi me asa second floor la ubha hoto , khaali ek jeep ubhi rahili aani tya jeep madhey Marathi couple.
MN: Housefull cha board hota ti bai navryala mhanaali, kai ho tumhala me reservation karaila sangatat hoti tumhi kahi kela naahi aata yeoon parat jaicha na! Maala ekdum feeling jhaala ki arrey Jaamnagar madhey Marathi bolnaari maansa? Me dhaavat khaali aalo aani tyaana mhanalo tumhi Marathi aahat ka? ti baai agadi, ho ho nantar mag tumhi pan Marathi ka? Mi mhatla ho, ma tyaana ticket na gheta cinema la manager la don khurchya taakaila saangitlya.
MN: There was housefull board and the woman said to the husband, I had told you to reserve the tickets you didn't do it now we have to go back! I was really surprised Marathi speaking people in Jamnagar. I came down running and I asked them are you Marathi? That women went yes, yes and then she asked, Are you also Marathi? I said , yes and then I let watch the film without a ticket I requested the manager to arrange for two chairs for them.
Later I figured that man was the in-charge of the Indian airport his name was Mulmule. The next day he sent a car for me and took me to the Jamnagar airport and there were about 50-60 Maharastrians and he introduced me to all of them. The result was that I was in Jamnagar for four months and I never had to eat at the hotel, everyone would call me home to eat.
Nantar maala kalala ki toh manoos Jamnagar jo Bharat Sarkar cha airport aahe tithla in-charge hota tyacha naav Mulmule. Tyaani maala dusrya diwashi sakaali gaadi paathavli Jamnagar airport la nele aani tithe javal javal 50 -60 Marathi maansa hoti tya saglyaanchi olakh karoon dilee. Parinaam asa jhaala ki Jamnagar madhey me chaar mahine hoto. Pan maala hotel madhey kadhi jevaila jaavach laagla nahi roj sagle ghari jevaila bolvaiche
MN: Aapulki ni yayche. Tyaana kaahi Marathi cinema baghanyachi iccha hoti, ti mi theater maalakala sangoon tyaana dakhavli tyamule toh Theater cha maalak Chatakya aani hi Marathi maansa hyanchi ek titha development jhaali. Aani tyaachatna maala asa saangaicha aahe Mumbai madhey aaj je kai prakaar chaalu aahet alpasankhyanchya viruddha, ki Marathi maanoos suddha dusrya praanta madhey tyaach avasthe madhey raahto.
MN: They would come out of affection. They wanted to watch some Marathi films I told the theater manager and screened some films for them the theater owner Chatakya and these Maharastrians became a group. Through this I want to say that whatever incidents are happening in Mumbai against minorities, that whenMarathi person is in the same situation when he lives in another State.
MN: Alpasankhyaanchi maanasikta mag ti Marathi maansachi aso ki dusrya konachi aso te ekach aste.
Te jenhva par raajyayaat jaatat tar tyanchi sankhya kami aste te alpasankhyaat astaat mhanun te unitedly rahataat hey me tya Jaamnagar chya hyachaat,
The psyschology of miniorities whether they are Maharastrians or some other community it's the same. When they go to another State their numbers are few and they are the minorities and therefore they stay united I saw this in Jamnagar.
MN: Aani dusra ek mahattvaacha mudda, maala tithe kalala ki ithali smashaan bhumi bhagnya laayak aahe mhanun me sandhyakaali smashaan baghaila gelo ascharya vaatala maala itka sundar garden itki shanti aani maansachya jeevanacha jo janma pasun marna paryanta ayushchyachi kaalkramana he chitra paana sabandha ashi raangun ubhi keleli aani sagle lok majjet yeoon tithe baslele. titkyaat ek funeral yeta pret yatra yete agadi silence orad naahi rada nahi chup chap jaatat dahan kartat nighoon jaataat.
The other important point, I heard there that the crematorium there is worth seeing and so I went to see the crematorium in the evening. I was really surprised the garden was so beautiful, and so peaceful and there were paintings of the journey of human life from the birth to death and there were people sitting there and enjoying and just then a funeral comes in complete silence there is no shouting, no crying, they go n quietly do the cremation and leave.
Hey ek naveen titha me pahila aani tyaacha nantar me mahja mag film industry madhla pravaas suuru jhaala tyaacha nantar maajha langa jhaala 1965. Aani gammat saangto ayusha madhey kai prakaar astaat maajha lagna tharala pahila aadhi maala koni mulgi dyaayla tayaarach navhta pan maajhe kaka vaigaire hote tyaani lagna ghadavla yetaana Mumbaila mulgi baghoon majhi aai maala mhanaali baala aaplya sunechya galyaat ek sonyaachi vastu pahije kahi kar pan ek ghevuya tya veli sonyaa cha bhaav 155 rupaiye tola asa sona hota aani te saade 11 gram cha tola hota 10 gram cha naahi.
This was something new that I saw and after this my journey in the film industry started. Later I got married in 1965 and the funny part was there so many aspects to life. Firstly no one was ready to hand their daughter but uncles were there and they made it happen and when we were coming to Mumbai after meeting the prospective bride my mother said, son we should have one gold ornament for the daughter in law, you do whatever you want but must get something at that time the gold prices were 155 rupees for a 'tola' the tola back then equaled to 11 and half grams not 10 grams.
I got a 2 and half tola ( 27 gms) necklace made for to-be wife, it costed me about 360 rupees and I had no money to go back to the village, I had sent all the money to my father or spent I had about 200-400 rupees
Me majhya honyaara patni saathi adeej tolyacha ek necklace banavla tyaachi kimmat kahi tari 360 rupaiye maala laagli pan gaavi jaatana maajhya kade paise naahi sagle paise vadeelaana paathavle kharcha kele don chaarshe rupaiye maajhya kade hote.
I went to Raghavan sir's house, the people helped me in life the two people Murthy and Raghavan. He used to stay at Adarsh Nagar in Worli I told this what has happened and I need some money I kept the salary envelope in the front of me it had 2700. I took 400 rupees and I left.
Me Raghavan sahebanchya ghari gelo, hey ayushya madhey hya maansane maala maddat keli tyaacha paiki hi don maansa Murthy aani Raghavan. Te Aadarsh nagar madhey Worli la rahaiche tyaana jaoon sangeetla saheb asa asa jhaala maala thode paise pahije tyaani pagaaracha paakit majhya kade kaadhun thevla tyaacha madhey 2700 rupaiye hote tyaachatle 400 rupaiye me ghetle aani gelo gaavi.
MN: Aai khush jhaali maajha lagna jhaala aani me Mumbai la aalo aani Raghavan sahebaan kade gelo, maala mhanle lagnaa la karja kitee aahe tujha? Mhatle saheb 700- 800 rupaiye asel. Tumche 400 aahet aani baki lokanche. Te mhane maajhe 400 dyaychi kaahi garaj naahi tula te me present kele aahet. Baaki 400 te konache tari de.
MN: My mother was very happy my wedding was done, I came back to Mumbai and I went to Raghavan sir, he said to me how much debt are you in for the wedding sir, about 700-800 rupees. I have to return your 400 and the rest. He said no need to return my 400 that is my present to you. You return the remaining 400 of the others.
He later sent me to a small village called Gondal in Saurashtra. Even there the film was running houseful but they wouldn't put up the houseful board. So suddenly I went to the ticket booth they were selling duplicate tickets I raised an alarm and called the entertainment tax officer I called the Police and the theater was sealed, filed a panchnama.
Mag maala tyaani Gondal mhanun Saurastra madhey gaav aahe tithe paathavla. Tithe pan picture houseful madhey jaat hota pan housefull cha board laagat navhta. Mhanun me suddenly ticket gharaa madhey pravesh kela tar duplicate ticketa vikli jaat hoti me taabadatob halla gulla kela entertainment tax officer la bolaavla phone karun policeaana bolaavla Theater seal kele, panchnama kela.
There was Marathi police there his name was Maane he told me, this happens here all the time this the film industry why did you do this and filed a written complaint that's why we have to do this these people can kill you and no one will know.
Tithe ek Marathi police Patil hota Maane mhanun te maala mhanaale, Arrey baba itha hey prakaar chaaltaat hi film industry aahe tu kai kelas hey lekhi kelas mhanun aamhala karava laagla helok tula maarun taak til aani patta hi laagnaar naahi.
He sent two constables with me one was Marathiand he dropped till Ahemdabad and I came to Mumbai and before I arrived Raghavan sir came to know everything.
Tyaani don constable dele maajhya barobar Marathi manoos hota aani maala Ahemdabad paryanta pohochavla me Mumbai la aalo me yaycha aadhi Raghavan sahebaana sagla kalela hota.
Aalya aalya maala Raghavan saheb mhanale tu kai kelas he tujha karja fitvava mhanun titha paathavla hota tula titha chori hote maala mahiti aahe film industry madhey he asach chaalta tujhi baikoo maajhya naavane oradnaar praamanik pana itha chaalat nahi tu chal dusri kade ja.
As soon I came Raghavan sir said what did you do? I sent you there so that you could clear your debts I knew that there is theft happening there this is how it works in the film industry. Your wife is going to blame me you cannot be so diligent here you please go somewhere else.) ( As soon I came Raghavan sir said what did you do? I sent you there so that you could clear your debts I knew that there is theft happening there this is how it works in the film industry. Your wife is going to blame me you cannot be so diligent here you please go somewhere else.
My response was the same, sir you help me find a job. He got me job in Hindustan Lever. There was a man named Gill who was his friend he was the All India Controller in Hindustan Lever and I met him. He asked me, What work would you like to do? Raghavan has sent a letter for you.
Pan maajha shabdha toch hota saheb tumhich maala kuthe tari laava. Tyaani maala Hindustan Lever madhey laavala. Tithe suddha Gill navaache tyaanche mitra hote te All India Controller Hindustan Lever che tyaana me bhetlo. Aani te maala mhanle tu kai kaam karnar aamchya kade Raghavan ni patra dila aahe tujya saathi.
Madan tu Sales Representative mahnun kaam karsheel ka? Mhanle aamchya kade BSC Agricultural cha qualification aahe tu Marathi saath vi (not clear) Mag tyancha jo saglyaat motha distributor aahe Chalani brothers tyaacha kade tyaani maala appointment letter dela pan maajhya saglya facilities maajha pagaar ha sagla maala Lever madhey hota. Aani Lever madhey me javal javal 15 varsha nokri keli.
Madan will you work as a Sales Representative? But we have a qualification criteria of BSc Agriculture and you are 7th grade pass in Marathi. Then their biggest distributor Chalani Brothers I got an appointment letter but all my facilities my salary everything was coming from Lever. I worked with Lever for nearly 15 years.
SS: So this was the time you got involved in the movement?
SS: How did that happen?
SS: Toh yeh samai me aap chalval mein bhi jud gaye the?
SS: Toh woh kaise?
MN: hyacha madhey me sangeetla na tumhaala 65 maajha lagna jhaala aani laal batti la pahilyanda kholi ghetli. Kholit 150 rupaiye paagadi aani 10 rupaiye bhaada. Aani te sagla collector land hota aani titha aamhala notice sa padun taakai chya.
MN: In this, I told you that I got married in the year 1965 and I bought a house at Teen Batti. The deposit/paagadi was 150 rupees and 10 rupees was the rent. Though that was all the collector's land and we would constantly receive notices to demolish it
Mag aata kai karaicha maala kale na? Aani me jaraa bolka aslya mule lokaani maala pudhe kela tumhi secretary aamche. Aata kai karaicha? Maala kahich kale na maala koni tari maansani saangitla tumhi Ahilya Rangnekar la aana.
Now what should I do? I couldn't think of anything. And because I was little talkative so the people pushed to become the sceratary. Now what to do? I didn't know anything then someone told to bring in Ahilya Rangnekar.
MN: Me tari patta kaadat me Matungyala gelo Ahilya tai na bhetlo aani motha andolan ubha rahila 68 saalchi goshta aahe tevhaa Shiv Sena pahilyanda nivdoon aali hoti aani Samiti sampli hoti fakta Ahilya Rangnekar Mumbaitna nivdoon aalya hotya aani aamhi Maharashta vidhaan sabhevar 10 hazzaracha morcha kaadhla hota tyaachaat don hazzar lok
MN: Ha, Laal batti che hote. Toh pahila maajhya ayushaatla Raajikya sanghram te doka bika futla maajha rakta yet hota Ahiya taaini maala vaachvoon ghari aanla. Aani tyaachat na maajhi Raajkiya he suru jhaali. Jara 10 minute aani bolya.
MN: So I looked for her address and met Ahilya tai and there was a huge protest this was in 1968 and Shiv Sen had won the election for the first time and the committee had dissolved only Ahilya Rangnekar had won from Mumbai and we organised a march of ten thousand people to Maharashtra Vidhaan Sabha among them two thousand peopleÃÂ¢ÃÂÃÂ¦
Yes, they were from Laal Batti. That was the first political battle of my life, my head was broken and there was blood and Ahilya tai saved me and got me home. That's how my political journey began. Let's speak after 10 minutes
SS: So Comrade Naik tell us a little about when you first came to Mumbai where did you stay and from there your own home and about your own journey.
SS: Toh Comrade Madan Naik ab aap thoda ye bataiye ke aap jaise Mumbai mein aaye toh aap sab se pehle kaha rahe aur phir wahan se kaise aapka ghar ka khud ka jo pravaas hai aapka
MN: I told you that I was working for Hindustan Lever and in 1965 I got married and I needed a place to stay and so I went to Lal Batti near Vikhroli there the deposit was 150 rupees and rent was 10 rupees, I got a room like that and I would like to tell you a fun story about that time how the social situation changes.
MN: Me aaplyala sangeetla ki me Hindustan Lever madhey nokri la laaglo aani 1965 saali lagna jhaala tya nanatar rahaila kholi pahije mhanun me Lal itha Vikhroli la je Lal Batti park naavachi ji vaasat (check) aahe tya thikaane 150 rupaiye paagadi aani 10 rupaiye bhaada. ashi ek kholi ghetli aani tya velichi ek gammat me aaplyala saangto samaaj paristhithi kashi badalte.
MN: Maajha je ghar hota te khaali ek foota paryanta vitaancha baandh kaam hota aani tyacha var patre laav le le hote aani var Manglori kaula hoti aatmadhey ek choti shi mori hoti aani. Sandaas vaigaire hya cheez kahi navhti aani 10 rupaiye bhaada. Light vaigaire navhti.
MN: So my house it had a one feet brick foundation and above that it had tin sheets and a Manglorean tile roof and inside there was a small bathroom. There was no washroom and things like that and the rent was 10 rupees. There was no electricity.
MN: Mahnun baikao la naveen lagna jhalela thoda sa romantic jeevan hota tyamule me 500 rupaiyacha toh transistor aanla pahilyanda tyaaveli Philips cha transistor aalaa hota Mumbai madhey aani toh light var pan chalaicha aani battery var pan chalaicha and Hindustan Lever madhey laaglyaavar maala 500 rupaiye pagaar hota aani pahilyanda ayushyaat me first class madhey baslo train chya, tyaaveli first class cha pass hota roj first calss madhne pravaas karnyachi savailaagli aani roz maala 22 rupaiye allowance hota kharcha saathi evdhi rakkam ayushaat pahilyanda kheesha madhey aali hoti.
MN: We were newly married and it was a romantic life so I got my wife a 500 rupee radio transistor as a gift, for the first time Philips had introduced transistors in Mumbai it worked on electricity and batteries the price was 500 rupees and when I joined Hindustan Lever for the first time my salary was 500 rupees and that was the first time I sat in the first class in the train, I had a first class pass then and I got used to traveling by first class and I got 22 rupees as daily allowance for the first time in life I had so much money in my pocket.
Aani 500 rupaicha toh transistor jenhva me ghetla toh baghaila loka baju baju chi jamli hoti, arrey Madan Naikani transistor ghetla aata maala vatata koni AC laavla tar shejaari vichaaraila pan yenaar naahit evadha samaaja madhey badal jhaala aahe ashya paristhithi madhey me rahilo aani tya velela aankhi ek ghatana ghadli me raajkaarnyaat pan yaayila toch kaarna bhoot saadarntaa 67 - 68 cha kaal aahe aani tya veli Mumbai shahra madhey vidhan sabhechya nivadnooka laaglya hotya 1968 saali aani ya bhagaa madhey ha Parliament aaj cha jo bhaag aahe tyaachya peksha Vidhaan Sabhecha matadaar sangh motha hota karan vasti viral hoti atishay.
When I bought the 500 rupee transistor all the neighbours gathered to see it, oh Madan Naik has bought transistor now I think even if anyone buys an AC the neighbours won't come to ask there is so much change in the society I have lived in such situations another incident that happened at the time. That was the for my entry into politics this is around 1967 -68 and it was the first time Mumbai had Legislative Assembly elections and in this area which part of the Parliament the Legislative Assembly the constituency was much bigger because the population was very sparse
MN: The Legislative Assembly Constituency was from Mulund to Chembur and there I remember for the first time because I was working for the Samyukta Maharashtra Samiti, later I came in contact with Prabhakar Sanzgiri he was the CPI ( Marxist) candidate contesting for the elections from this region and there were banners of him. Actually I did not know anything about CPI (Marxist). I had no connection but his banner said Samyukta Maharashtra Samiti Awardee
MN: Vidhaan Sabhecha matadaar sangh Mulund paasun Chembur paryanta ek matdaar sangh aani tithe tyaaveli maala aathavta me Sayumkta Maharashtra Samitit kaam karat aslyamoole aaj je nantar me jyaancha smaparkaat aalo te Prabhakar Sanzgiri Marxwaadi Communist paksha che umedvaar mhanun hya bhagatoon nivadnook ladhvat hote aani tyanche banner laagle hote. Vaastavik Marxwaadi Communist Paksha maala kahi maahit navhta. Maajha kahi sambnadha navhta pan tyaanchya banner varti lihla hota ki Samyukta Maharashtra Samiti Puraskrit.
I was close to the Samyukta Mahasrastra Samiti. I was part of that protest, I was beaten by the police I had done all of it and so he felt like one of our own and so I contributed 10 rupees as election fund to this old gentleman who was sitting there.
Tyamoole Samyukta Maharashta Samiti shi maajhi javlook hoti na. Me tya andolanaat gelela, Policesaan barobar maar khaalela saglach kelala tyamoole ha koni tari aapla maanoos aahe mhanun me 10 rupaiye rk mhatara gruhasta baslele hote tyancha kade me dele ek election fund dile me.
MN: But these older politicians have a manner of recognising volunteers it doesn't matter which party they belong to. This gentleman called Suryavanshi, he wondered who is this man, this boy who gave 10 rupees?
SS: Who is he?
MN: Who is he? He caught me and asked my information where do you work etc. and with a lot of authority like my father would tell me, you have to come here in the morning and evening, while going back come here...
MN: Pan karyakartyana olakhnyaachi kashi padhdat aste hya joonya Raajkaarnyaatla lokaan kade ma te kuthchya hi paksha che aso. Suryanvanshi naavaa che je grushasta hote tyaani pahila ki, arrey 10 rupaiye denara ha manoos ha mulga
SS: Kon hai?
MN: Kon aahe ha? Maala tyaani pakadala maajhi chavkashi keli kutha kaam karto kaai, aani agadi adhikaar vaani na jase vadeel maala sangeetil sakaal sandhyakaal itha yaycha jaataana yaycha, jya diwashi yaycha
MN: Aani tya veli ayusha madhey ek ghatana ghadali maala navyaani mulga jhaala hota tyaavelila. Tya veli la khaara mhanje me magaashi aaplyala sangeetla pan maajhi baiko tya veli la Mumbai la aali nahvti ha jo prasang aahe agadi suruvaatila kholi ghetli chya veli maala mulga jhaala, gaavi aani vadeelaancha patra aala ki maala mulga jhaala. Me anandaat paise paathavle sagla kela aani ek mahinani patra aala ki mulga khalaas jhaala, aani me tyavele la kholit maala vichaarnaara kon nahvta me ektach manastaap paristhiti madhey jhoplo hoto aani itkyaat Suryavanshi asa mahaale ki aarey ha porga aaj aala naahi mhanun te chaukashi karaila ka aala naahi.
MN: At the time there was an incident in my life I had a baby boy. Actually at that time I told you but my wife had not come to Mumbai i had just bought the the room and I had a baby , I received a letter from my father that I had a son. I was very happy I sent some money home and everything and after a month again I received a letter that my son had passed away. I had no one in the house and I was alone, disturbed and I was sleeping. Suryavanshi wondered why has this boy not come and he came home to check on me.
Te shejaarchya maansaani tyaana sangeetla ki asa asa patra aala aahe toh ektach bichara jhop la aahe ko naahi tyaala bichara. Tya veli te office madhey gele karya kartyana tyaani jamaa kela. Prabhakar Sanzgiri vidhaan sabheche umedvaar tyaa veli tithe aalele hote tyaana gheoon te pahilyanda maahjya kholi var aale.
The neighbour told him that he received such a letter and he's alone and sleeping and there's no one with him. That moment he went to the office and gathered the volunteers. Prabhakar Sanzgiri the Legislative Assembly candidate had come there he got him alone with him to the house.
Aani me aaj itkya varshaani suddha tya prasangaachi aathvan yeti yeoon tyaani jenhva maala meethi maarli tya vele la mi pahilyanda mulga vaarla mhanun radlo.
Even after so many years I remember that incident when he came here and hugged me that was the first time I cried because I lost my son.
Aani tyaveli Sanzgiri ni maajhya paathiar haat firavla, me aahe ghaabru nako aani ti maajhi tyanchi pahila mulaakhat aani mulaakhat mag shevat paryanta tikli tithoon mahja raajkarnaat la pravaas aani tya nivadnooki madhey Sanzgiri yaana 22 hazaar mataa milaali pan te don number la aale aani Congress nivdoon aali tyaana Mulund madhey lead milaala hya bhaaga madhey saglaa majdoor vasti hoti tithe Sanzgiri lead hote, vaastavik
That time Sanzgiri patted by back and said don't worry I'm there, and that was my first meeting with him and that remained like that till the end that was my political journey and that election Sanzgiri got 22 thousand votes but he came second and Congress won they got the lead in Mulund and this part had all the labour community and that was where Sanzgiri had his lead.
MN: Aani maala aathavta tya veli ti nivadnook... paach ki sade paach hazaar rupaiye kharcha madhey ladhavleli hoti
SS: Aata koti MN: Aata koti rupaiye laagtaat, aani kahi nahi karya kartaana dyaycha kaahi naahi aani nivadnookit harlya nantar suddha sanzgiri ni karyakartanchi meeting bolaavli tar maala tya veli thodi shi, kashya saathi bolavli? Nivadnookit padle kasla kai aahe? Pan kai nidaan boltaat mhanun me aaikaila gelo tya vele la Pabhakar Sanzgiri ne je bhaashan kela te maajhyaa ayushaatla ek Raajkiya chitra aahe.
MN: I remember that election... was fought with a budget of 5 or 5 and a half thousand.
Now crores (millions)
MN: Now it takes millions, and nothing no paying the volunteers and after losing the election Sanzgiri called for a meeting of the volunteers so I thought why is calling for a meeting? He lost the election what is he talking about? But what does he have to say so I went to hear and that speech is the political picture of my life.
He said that, when the party offered me candidacy that time I had no guarantee that I will get elected the reason was that I didnt have the money needed for the elections, I didn't have means for publicity, I had no volunteers I had just one weapon that was the Party's declaration for the all round development of the public and that I had given it to you. I felt if through this election I could bring together some volunteers if I could build the party here that would have been bigger than election win.
Tyaani asa mhatla ki, me hi nivadnookila jenhva paksha ni maala umedvaari deli tenhva me nivdoon yeen hyaacha baddal kahi khaatri nahvti hyacha kaaran nivadnookila laagnaara paisa maajhya kade nahvta prachaarchi saadhana maajhya kade nahvti karyakarte nahvte, fakt ekach hatyaar mahjya haatat hote te pakshacha janatecha sarvangeen vikaasacha jaheer naama aani toh mi tumhaala dila hota. Aani maala asa vaatla hota ki hya nivad nookichya karyakarmaatna jar kahi karyakartyaana me javal karu shaklo aani jar itha pakshachi bandhali karo shaklo tar toh nivad nookichya vijaya peksha motha asel.
MN: Aani aaj jenhva tumha tarun mandaleena me mahjya samor itha bhagto tenhva hi nivadnook me kharyaa arthaani jinklo aahe me kaahi harlo naahi. Tya veli mahtla asa bolnaara ha pahilaach maanus aahe. Aani mag majhi tyaancha shi ji dosti jhaali ti agadi shevti, tyaancha 2009 madhey itha dehavasaan toh paryanta aamcha vadil aani mulacha naata kayaam hota. Ha mahjha raajkaarnatla pravaas
MN: And today when I see all you young people here that's my true victory inthis election I haven't lost. I felt he's the first guy to speak like this and then the friendship I had with him that was right till the end, in 2009 he expired till then we had a father son relationship. This was my political journey.
Thereafter, my wife came here we started living in that house and because that room was small I bought a concrete house in Hariyali Village in Vikhroliand I bought that for 1800 rupees. It was 10x16 (sq feet) room it had a washroom and bathroom everything on the side. Even if it wasn't inside the house it was all available. electricity etc.
Tyaacha nantar mag ti kholi majhi patni vagaire aali aamhi titha rahaila laaglo aani ti kholi lahaan jhaali mhanun me Vikhroli la Hariyali Village mahnun jo bhaag aahe titha pakki kholi te maala aathavta aahe ti 1800 rupaila ghetli. Hi pakki 10 by 16 chi room baajula sandaas, bathroom hya saglya goshti. Gharaat jari naslya tari saglya available hotya light vagaire,
SS: Kaun se saal mein?
MN: Yeh... 68, 69 Aani gammat ashi jhaali ki maala majha, pahila mulga janmaala aala tyaala thoda sa asthama cha traas hota. Anek thikane me tyaala dakhavla pan kahi goon yet navhta mahun Ahilya tai Rangnekar jyaana me mahjya aaicha thikane maanto tyaani maala sangitla ki Sion Hospital madhey mulaacnhe speacialist doctor Athavale tyaana daakhav.
SS: Which year was this?
MN: This was around 1968-69. It so happened when I had my first son he had asthama. We took him to many doctors but he wasn't getting better so Ahilya Tai Rangekar who was like my mother she said that take him to Sion Hospital to a child specialist doctor Athavale.
Tar tyaana jenhva daakhvaila gelo mulga kahi tari majha varsha bharacha hota, varsha don varshacha tar te maala asa mahanale ki tu raahtos kuthe? Tar mag sagla sangitla tyaana. Laadya aahet ki koba kelela aahe? Tar mhatla koba kelela aahe. Te mhanle tujya mulaala baraa vaatnaar nahi tujha moisture yete saglla khaadichi jameen aahe ti. Ek tar tyaala tiles basav aani mulaala cot var jhopav he pahile, aani mag tyaacha nantar mag medicines.
When I went there my son was about a year or two years old. He asked me where do I live? I told him everything. Do you have tiles or is it just cemented floor? I said it's a cemented floor. He said your son won't feel okay because it brings in all the moisture from the reclaimed sea land. First thing you fix tiles and your son should sleep on the bed and after that the medicines will work.
Mhanun je aamche chaal maalak hote te mhnje maajhe mitrach hote pan te BJP la maanaare hote aani tyaacch varshi tithe je Mahanagar Palikechi nivadnook jhaali tyaala tyanche bandhu titha ubhe hote (not clear) tar tyaancha asa mhanana hota ki me tyaancha prachaar karaava tar me tyaana mhatla ki majhya political line mahdey he basat naahi.
The chawl owner was my friend but he was a BJP follower and that year when the Municipal Elections happened his brother was a candidate (not clear) so he wanted that I should campaign for his brother so I told him it doesn't fit my political line.
I said we are friends but I will not vote for you and I will not campaign for you because I'm against your political policy, I don't agree with it you do your work he held that against me and when I went to him to ask him to fix tiles I will give the money if needed. So, he literally insulted me and said, if you want to stay here yo stay or leave.
Tumchi maajhi vaiyatika maitri aahe pan me ek tar tumhala mata daan hi karnaar naahi aani tumcha prachaar hi karnaar naahi karan me tumchya political policy chya viruddha aahe. maala te patat naahi tumhi tumcha kaam karaa tyacahavarna tyaacnha maahjyavar khoop raag hota aani me jenva tyaancha kade gelo ki tumhi maala tiles basvoon dya. me kahi laagle tar paise deyeen. Tar te maala akasharsha apamaaneet karoon, tumahala rahaicha asel tar rah nahi tar nighoon ja ashya bashet.
MN: Aani te maajhe chaal malakhote Kangutkar mhanun Vikhroli madhey tyancha khoop motha naav hota 6-7 bhau aani sagle lok tyaana ghaabraiche pan me pan vaitaaglela hoto majha ek mulga tar off jhalela dusra mulga tyamule me jaraa vimanastha hoto aani me tyaana bololo ki maalak mhanun tula nasht kareen tar majhyaa vadalaancha naav sangeen aani...
MN: And my chawl owner Kangutkar he was very popular in Vikhroli 6-7 brothers and everyone feared them, but I was very annoyed I had lost one son and the second one and so I was a little disturbed and told, that if I don't destroy as the owner I'm not my father's son.
A lot of people told me what have you done? You cannot mess with these people it will really be bad for you but I said what did what could I do? At the same time suddenly an incident occurred, my friends had organised a seminar in Vikhroliand the theme of the seminar was Workers and Politics and I went there as an audience to see and because they had food and ice-cream. The main speaker of that seminar was Congress corporator Alka Desai and our chawl owner his brother who was the BJP corporator and the deputy editor of Navaakaal Chandrakaant Purandhare.
Maala khoop lokaani vichaarla tu kai kelas he hya lokaan barobar tu don haat nahi karo shakat tula traas hoeel pan me bolun gelo aata kai karaicha? ashya velela ek akasmat ghatana ashi ghadli, ki majhya kahi mitraani Vikhroli madhey ek Parisanvaad ayojit kela hota aani praisanvaadacha vishay hota kaamgaar aani raajkaaran. Aani me tithe shrota mhanun gelo hoto baghaila aani khayaila vaigaire hota ice-cream te milel mhanun, aani tyaa parisanvaad che pramukh vakte tya velela Congress chya nagarsevika Alka Desai aani aamche je chaal maalak hote te tyaanche bandhu je BJP che nagar sevak aani Navakaal se upa sampadak Chandrakant Purandhare hey tya karyakramache adhakshya hote aani me shrotaan madhey baslo.
MN: So Alka Desai and Kangutkar they made a point in the seminar that workers should not participate in politics they should only earn money and do good work just then the organiser announced my name and that now Madan Naik will speak and I was taken by surprise because I had no clue and he announced that Madan Naik will now make his argument, What am I supposed to do?
MN: Tar Alka Desai aani Kangutkar yaa lokaani ashi baaju maandli tya parisanvaadaat ki kaamgaarani kahi raajkaarnat kahi bhaag ghevo naye tyaani fakta paise milvaavet changla karava, itkyaat tya ayojak hote tyaani maajha naav pukaarla chakka ki aata Madan Naik bolteel aani me udaalo kaaran maala asa kahi hech naahi aani te jaahir kela tyaani, ki aata Madan Naik maandteel, aata me kai karava?
I got up I had to go on the stage but what am I supposed to say just then I remembered that in the 1967 elections George Fernanded had defeated S K Patil and was elected but the same George Fernandes in the 1971 elections with Dr. Kailas, Neville Tata and George Fernandes when they fought the elections he lost the elections by a mere 30,000 votes, meaning he didn't get any votes.
Me uthlo, aata jaayala tar pahije pan kai bolava itkyaat maala patkan aathvan jhaali 1967 saal chya nivadnooki madhey George Fernandes, S K Patilaana paadun nivdoon aale hote pan tech George Fernandes 71 chay nivadnookini madhey doctor Kailas, Neville Tata aani George Fernandes hyaanchi ji ladhaai jhaali tyachya madhey keval 30,000 mataani padale, mhanje tyaana matach milaali naahi.
MN: That time he wrote an article in the newspaper Loksatta which was an analysis and the (check) was like this that I taught the workers to earn money, I did no teach them politics and that's why the workers didn't get the difference between Dr. Kailas, Neville Tata and George Fernandes and that's why I lost. I remembered this and I picked up that point and I made a speech there.
MN: Tya veli tyaacha vishleshan karnaara ek lekh tyaani Loksattet lihala hota aani tya lekhaacha matartha asa hota ki me kaamgaarana paise milala shikavla raajakaaran shikavla naahi aani mhanun Dr. Kailas, Neville Tata aani George Fernandes hyachatla farak kaamgaarana kalala naahi aani mhanun me padlo. Maala aathavla aani me toch mudda pakdoon me tithe bhaashan kela.
Ki kaamgaarni raajkaarnat bhaag ghetla paahije, raajkaaran samajla paahije itkach naahi tar hyaa raajkaarna var kaamgaaracha pagda asla pahije tarach tyaala kharyaa arthaani kaamgaar mhantaa yeel asa me baaju maandali aani sampala majhya drushti ni sampala sagla.
That workers should take part in politics, they should understand politics and not just that they should influence politics and only then we can call them workers in the real sense, that's the point I made and I thought it was over.
sakaali me kaamavar jaatana me Navaakaal ughadla.
The next morning before going to work I opened the newspaper Navakaal.
SA: Can you please repeat this last story.
SA: Hey.. last ghosta parat saanga
MN: So I recollected the essay by George Fernandes and I spoke on that issue that workers should be active in politics and they should understand politics, they should participate in politics and they should work in the favour of workers, they should lead it that's what I presented and according to me it was over, I forgot about it.
MN: Tar me te George Fernandes ni lihalela lekh maala aathavla aani toch muddha pakdoon me tithe bololo ki kaamgaarani raajkaarnaat sakriya rahila pahije raajkaaran samjhun ghetla paahije. Raajkaarna madhey bhaag ghetla pahije aani kaamgaaranchya hitacha raajkaaran kela pahije, tyacha netrutva kela pahije asa me maandala. Aani mahjya drushtina sampla me visroon gelo.
Sakaali kaamaala jaatana me jehnva Navaakaal pahila, tar aath column cha mathalaa hota, aani maala mhanje ek raatri madhey me sabandha Mumbai la maheet jhalo hoto me Madan Naik kon. Aadlya diwashi konaala mahit nahvta me ekdum chakeet jhalo me ki hey kai saglya Mumbai bhar Madan Naikani 8 column cha mathala.
The next morning while going to work when I saw the newspaper Navaakaal, there was a 8 column headline, and I was known to the whole of Mumbai overnight, who is Madan Naik. The day before that no one knew me I was really shocked, at this thing in the whole of Mumbai Madan Naik... the 8 column headline.
I came home and I had to meet this Chandrakant Purandhare but how would I meet him? But the surprise was that he was looking for my address and Chandrakant Purandhare came home along with a friend and he said to me that editor Khadilkar really liked your speech.
Me ghari aalo aata te Chandrakant Purandhare kon maala tar tyaana bhetaicha pahije kasa bhetnaar? Pan asccharya tech te maajha patta shodhat Chandrkant Purandhare maajhya eka mitraala gheoon ghari aale, aani maala mhnaale ki baba tujha bhaashan sampadik lekhan Khadilkaraana faar aavadla.
Aani maala te mhanaale ki asa kai asel te aana Navaakaal madhey. Maala yogya sandhi chi avashakta hoti, ti milaali asa vaatla aani. Me tyaana mhanalo ki aamchya Hariyali village madhey jhopdi waalyancha jo problem aahe me ashya avasthet raahto, tar tumhi he jara bagha aani mala Navaakaal madhey chaangli prasiddhi dya aani Sarkar kadun itha kahi chaangli kaama jhaali pahije.
He told me that if there is anything like this then bring it to Navaakaal. I felt that I got the right opportunity that I needed. I told him that our Hariyali Village the slum residents have a lot of problems and I live in these conditions, so you please look into this and give this some coverage in Navaakaal and with the help of the government some good work should happen here
He said, yes that's what I want and so I took Chandrakant Purandhare around this Vikhroli where I was staying there were about 9387 slums and the most important feature about this area. In 1962, the Maharashtra Housing Board's, Tagore Nagar colony came into being and that time Hariyali Village area was about 75 acres and there were just about 167 huts here and that time MHADA put this place into the schedule but they did not take the land in possession, they did not the declare the ward.
Te mhanle, ho maala tech pahije aani mag me Chandrkant Purandhare na ghevoon me jya Vikhroli madhey raahat hota javal javal 9387 jhopdya titha hotya aani tyaa bhaagaacha vaishishta me tumhala saangto 1962 saali Tagore nagar hi vasaahatt jhaali Maharashtra Housing Boarda chi tya veli ti Hariyali Village ha 75 acrecha patta aahe titha fakta 167 jhopdya hotya, aani tyaveli MHADA ne ti jaaga schedule madhey taakli pan, MHADA ne ti jaaga taabyaat ghetli naahi, tyaacha ward declare kela naahi.
MN: Because they put it under Schedule the land owners could not do anything and therefore the shanties multiplied quickly, and these shanties I'm telling you the realities of 1975-76 and there were over 9000 shanties and Chandrakant Purandhare spent about two to three days with me surveying them, there were no basic amenities but these were concrete chawls.
MN: Schedule madhey taaklya mule je jameen maalak hote te kaahi karuu shakle naahit aani tyamoole dhadadhad jhopdya vaadhlyaa. Aani tya jhopdya me he hakeegat saangto ti maala vaatata 75-76 chi aahe tyaa veli tithe 9000 chya var jhopdya hotya aani tya saglya jhopdya mhajyaa barobar Chandrakant Purandhare yaani javal javal don te teen diwas ( not clear) tithe kuthlya hi basic amenities naahit pan pakyaa chaali hotya.
Chaal system hoti mhanje jyaala...aata aapan jevhaa jhopadpattyancha vichaar karto tya veli Mumbai madhey ek tar jameen maalak mothe 4 aahet ek Kendriya Sarkaar, ek Rajya Sarkaar, Mumbai Mahanagar Palika aani khaajagee jameen. Khaajagee jameeni hya sarvaat mothyaa aahet aani jhopadpattya tyaancha var adheek mothya aahet.
It was a chawl system which now when we think of slums that time in Mumbai there 4 big land owners in Mumbai, Central Government, State Government, Mumbai Municipal Corporation and private land owners. Private land are the biggest and the slums are bigger than that.
Tyaachat punha jhopad pattyancha classification aahe. Aapan jyaala kharya arthana slum dweller asa mhanto, mhanje duyaam naagrik tar to tumhaala fakt footpath varti disto mhanje jyaala kuthla nishchit ashi kamaai naahi angaat ghalaaila kapde naahi, khaaichi avastha aani gharaanchi avastha tasach plastic vaigaire laav lele asa, ha kharaa slum dweller to tumhala footpath var disto.
Within that there is a classification for the slums. What we define as slum dweller or secondary citizen you will only find him on the footpath, someone who doesn't have fixed income, no clothes to wear, his living conditions the plastic covered hut, this is the real slum dweller who you find on the footpath
Someone who earns a little more than that who has a fixed income whom we call unorganized labour or the Class IV labourers you will find them on the Central Government land around the Railway line, food corporation etc. He has a fixed income, even if it's less but it's a fixed income.
Tyaacha peksha thodisi adheek kamaai jyaachi aahe nishchit jyaala aapan asangatheeth kaamgaar kinva chaturtha shreni kaamgaar mhanu toh tumhala Kendriya Sarkaarachya jameeni var disto mhanje railway line chya aaju baajula, food corporation [...] vaigaire tyaachi nishchit kamaai aahe kami asel pan nishchit aahe.
A little above this and slightly better conditions you will find it in the slums of the Municipal Corporation land. The shape of their homes was peculiar there was cemented floor half concrete chawls and Magalorean rooftiles and they have some amenities, electricity.
Tyaacha peksha varchi thodi shi chaangli paristhithi ek tumhala Mahanagar Palikechya jameen varchya jhopadpattya mhanun disteel. Tyaaancha gharaacha aakar pan tasaach khaali koba kelela baajuni ardhya pakyaa chaali aahet var Mangalori kavla aahet kaahi sukha suvidhaa aahet, gharaat light aaleli aahe.
A little better than that what we call the industrial labourers and workers they live on the State Government's land or what we know as the Collector's Land and the middle class from the slums lives on the private land.
SS: Private land
MN: On Private Land
Tyaacha peksha adheek chaangli mhanje jyaala, industrial kaamgaarani aani karmachaari aapan mhanu te Raajya Sarkarachya jameeni var raahtaat jyaala aapan collector land mhanu olakhto aani jhopadpattitla haar middle class ha khaajagee jameeni var raahto
SS: Private land
MN: Private land var.
MN: Private land varchya jhopdya hya magaashi me tumhaala sangeetla tya pramaani chaal system madhey aahet, mhanje tyaala ek vishesh drishti kon aahe. Ek architectural sample aahe.
MN: The slums on the private land like I told you earlier are as per the chawl system there is special viewpoint to that. It is an architectural sample
Aani tithe basic amenities aahet yogya pramaanaat nastil pan aahet. Titha light aahe, nal aahe, sandaas aahe kahi pramanaat aahe aani saglyaat mothi goshta mhanje ti lokaachi garaj aahe.
They have basic amenities not all of it but they have it, they have electricity, water, washrooms some of them have it and the most the important thing is it's need of the people.
Like I told you earlier the increase in slums in Mumbai, was a result of the the industrialisation in this part and within the Indian Constitution this may not be under the Fundamental rights but under the guiding principles, Babasaheb Ambedkar gave orders to the authorities that providing food, clothes and shelter is the responsibility of the authorities.
Mumbai madhey ji jhopadpatti vaadhli tyaala me magaashi aaplyala sangeetla ki hyaa bhagaa madhey je industrialisation jhaala tyaacha to parinaam hota, aani Bharatiya ghatne madhey mula bhoot adhikaar madhey tyaacha samaavesh nasel pan margadarshak tatva madhey Babasaheb Ambedkarani shashanaala aadhesh dilela aahe ki anna, vastra, aani nivaara, he dena shashaanachi jababdaari aahe.
Aani Sarkar jar adhikrut nivaara tumhaala denaar nasel tar manoos aaplyaa (not clear) toh milavnaar.
and if the government can't provide you authorised shelter then a person will ( not clear
As per that these slums this was their need and the other aspect to it is that all the different laws that you created you did not implement them in the right manner.
Tya pramaani hya jhopadpattya ti tyaanchi garaj aahe aani tyaala dusra ek pahelu asa aahe ki tumhi nir niraale je kaayade kela tyaachi yogya pramaane ammalabajaavanee keli naahit.
1976 saali Maharashtra sarkaar madhey Urban Land Ceiling Act aala kendraacha. Kendracha kai aadesh hota? Kaayda kendracha aahe pan tumhi tumchya vidhaan sabha madhey charcha karoon toh ghya aani yogya tumchya Vidhaan Sabhene parvaangi deli tar amlaat aana praamaanik pana ni.
In 1976 the Maharashtra government implemented the Urban Celing Act of the Centre government. What was the order of Centre? The law is of the Centre but you must discuss it in your Legislative Assembly and if the Assembly passes it then implement it with all fairness.
Maharashtra Vidhaan Sabhe madhey charcha jhaali kaayda ghaycha tharla tumhi toh laagu kela. Vaastavik tumhaala 10 rupaiye vaarani tumhaala sagli jameen ghetaa aali asti tumhi ghetli naahi pan saglyaancha jameeni tumhi Schedule madhey taaklya, tyamoole tya jameen malakaana kahi karta yeyi na.
There was a discussion in the Maharashtra Assembly they decided to accept the law, they implemented it. They could have actually bought all the land in 10 rupees per yard, but they didn't but they put everyone's land under the Schedule and therefore the land owners could not do anything.
Ek tar tumhi tyaana paise det naahit, tyaani adhikrut kaahi karat naahi lokaanchi garaj vaadhlele aahe tyaamule hyaa jhopadpattya nirmaan jhaalyaa aahet. Hya jameen maalakaani kuthlya hi prakaar cha kagdo patri ( not clear) hya jameeni veeklya aani lokaani tya theekani chaali baadhlyaa.
First you don't give them any money, they cannot do anything authorised people's needs have increased and that's why these slums were created. The land owers sold this land without any paper work and people built chawls there.
Aani lokaanchya garaje anusaar tya dilya gelya. Ek tar adhikrut ghar tumhi det naahi tyaachi ti garaj aahe aani tyamoole jhopadpatti vaadhli aani tyaacha parinaam asa jhaala magaashi me mhatla ki Maharashtra Sarkar jhopadpatti vishay kaydaa karnaara pahila sarkaar.
And these were given as per people's needs. Firstly you don't give them authorised homes it's their needs and that's why there was a rise in the slums and the result of that was like you told earlier Maharashtra government was the first government to make a law related to the slums.
But then they did not implement it, you made the law. Our government had a policy then whether it was for the Worker's Laws or about homes and about anything else whenever people protest they will pass a law, make a Committee Take that! There is no implementation in real and that was the case with the Urban Land Ceiling Act and in 2007 it was scrapped.
Pan parat tyaachi ammalabajaavanee naahi, tumhi kaayda kela. Aaplya sarkar cha ek dhoran aahe mag te kaamgaar kaydyaat asel, gharanchya baabteet asel aankhi kuthlya baabteet asel lokaani andolan kela ek kaayda banavaicha ek Committee banvaiche, ghya! Pratyaksha ammalabajaavanee kaahi nahi nemka tech Urban Land Ceiling Act chi ammalabajaavanee naahi aani 2007 toh raddabaatala kela.
Galichchha Vasti Karya tech jhaala pan ek goshta aahe Emergency la aamhi saglyaani virodh kela me tyaacha karta turoongaat hi gelo, pan kaahi chaanglyaa goshti hi jhyaalyaa.
Maharashtra Slum Areas (Improvement, Clearance And Redevelopment) Act
SS: Kitni der the aap jail mein?
MN: 15 din
SS: 15 din
MN: That's what happened with the Maharashtra Slum Areas (Improvement, Clearance And Redevelopment) Act but one thing we all opposed the Emergency. I went to jail for that but some good things did come out from it.)
(SS: For how long were you in jail?)
(MN: 15 days)
(SS: 15 days)
MN: Pan tyaacha madhey kaahi chaanglya goshti hi jhyaala jyaa anubhavaani maanya karaila laagteel jhopadpaati chya drushti ne hya emergency madhey madhey saglyaat chaangli goshta jhaali ti mhanje 4th January 1976 hya diwashi Mumbaieetlya saglya jhopadpattichi shaskiya gananaa jhaali tasi parat kadhi hi jhaaleli naahi. Aani tyaa gananeet na anek ascharya kaarak ashi aakde vaari maala aathavta tyaa velela ek tar tya ghra nirmaan khaatya Raajya mantri Prabhakar Kunte. Ghranirman Khaatechya sacheev Sadashivrao Tinekar. Slum Boardache Deputy Executive Officer S B Salvi, Mumbai che Additional Collector Madhukar Chaubey aani Slum boardaache adhikaari Vinayakrao Date aani tya veli Maharashtra Sarkaarche Cheif Secretary shevatche ICS tya nantar sagle IAS Shri Ram Sathe he saglya Mumbai bhar firat hote aani sudevyane tyaacnha barobar me hi firat hoto. Maala tyaacha swabhimaan aahe.
MN:But there were some good things that came out of it which we must accept from experience. The good thing that happened for slums during this Emergency that on 4th January 1976, there was a government census of all the slums in Mumbai which hasn't happened ever after.
Aani hya sabandha Mumbai cha eka diwashit gananaa jhaaleli aahe 8000 praganank 8000 sagle shikashak sarkaari karmachaari, kaamaala laavlele hote aani Mumbait lya saglya jhopadpattyanchi Shastriya gananaa karun tyaana census number denyaat aale aani 3 rupaiye gheoon tyaana id denyaat aali.
SS: Photo pass.
MN: Photo pass, tyaacha nantar parat tashi gananaa kadhi hi kuthe hi jhaaleli naahi aani tya gananeet ne anek ascharyakarak goshti baaher aalya pahili goshta ji aali tya veli Shiv Senechi atishay lok priya ashi ghoshana ashi hoti Hatao lungi, Bajao Pungi. Tyamoole saglya lokaana asa vaatat hota ki jhopadpatti madhey South Indian faar mothya pramanaat raahtaat, pan tasa nhavta ti ji akde vaari aali tyaacha madhey 65 takke Marathi manoos jhopadpatti madhey rahto hey pahilyaanda siddha jhaala aani ka don te adeej taake maanas ha South Indian hota aani 27 taake North Indian hota.
MN: And from that census there were a lot of surprising numbers I remember at that time the Minister of State for Housing Prabhakar Kunte, Housing Minister Sadashivrao Tinaikar. The Deputy Chief Executive Officer of the Slum Borad S B Salvi, The Additional Collector of Mumbai Madhukar Chaubey and the Slum Board officer Vinyakrao Date and the then Chief Secretary of Maharashtra the last ICS officer after that they were all IAS Shri Ram Sathe they went all over Mumbai and fortunately I was going all over with them. I'm very proud of that.
Aaj je kaahi UP chya lokaan var je haale bille hotaat na tyaacha te kaaran tithe hota 27 takke North Indian aani mag ha North Indian jhaopadpatti madhey ka aala? Te mgaashi me je tumhaala mhanaalo ki uneven development UP, Bihar hi Hindi pattayat li mothi Raajya aahet tya thikaani kuthi development hot naahi aani ekun bhandavalaacha 35 takke bhaandval jar Mumbai and Pune chya pattya madhey yenaar asel tar mag rojgaar sham manoos ha ithe yenaar . Mag to kuthlya prantaat na aala kuthlya dharmaacha aahe, kuthli bhaasha bolto ha prashna naahi toh hya deshacha rahivaasi aahe aani jithe pot bharel tithe toh jaanaar. Tyamoole hya thikaani ji gardi jhaali loka vaadhli aani tyaachamoola ithe jhopadpatti eka bajula vaadhli, kaaydyacha prashna nirmaan jhaala aani tyaala aala ghaalnaat Sarkar tar te konaachi aso te apyashi tharla asa maajha mhanna aahe.
aani tyaachamoole tya thikaani me magaashi aaplyala sangeetla ki hya pramaani jenhva Chandrakant Purandhare he sagle pahila tenvha Hariyali Village madhey pahila pratham 1971 cha toh slum kaayda laavnayacha kaam hya sambandha Mumbai shaharla Hariyali Villae ni kela aani tyaachi pragati he Navaakaal che tya veli che Sampaadak jeshta patrakaar Chandrakant Purandhare, aani tyaacnha barobar aamhi tithe hi sanstha sthapan keli Hariyali Rahshya Mandal