WICityTV: Gujri, oldest junk market. Interview with the shopkeeper.
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Summary: Jayshree Reddy and Preeti Prakash, crew members of
WiCityTV, spent the weekend in Shivaji Nagar's notoriously famous Gujri Market. Like Elgin talkies, possibly one of the oldest cinemas in India, Bangalore's Gujri market, established over 80 years ago bears witness to Bangalore's colonial past, the downtown hub of Shivaji Nagar, with its proximity to Cantonment is also home to Russell Market. Here they speak with an antique car parts dealer.
Preeti – we wanted to find out, what all work people do.
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Iqbal Ahmad– do you also write stories?
Preeti – well, not write, but show.
Iqbal Ahmad – OK, so you write for papers also?
(male voice off screen) – no, no, they show it on TV
Preeti – we show it on TV.
Iqbal Ahmad – this is a bazaar for motor parts.
Preeti – OK..
Iqbal Ahmad– old motor parts...
Preeti – OK...
Iqbal Ahmad – this bazaar is 75 years old. How many years?
Preeti – 75 years.
Iqbal Ahmad – 75. at that time, Aston Martin, 28 Ford, 28 Chevrolet, all cars we would be break open. Now from insurance companies, all cars that are auctioned, then may they be in military, or in ?BTS?, whichever other auctions, from those auctions people bring the cars here.
28 chevrolet
28 ford
Bangalore
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Shivaji Nagar
aston martin
auction
bazaar
break
bring
car
company
inquire
insurance
journalist
military
model
motor
newspaper
old
open
paper
part
past
people
seventy-five
show
story
telecast
television
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year
Iqbal Ahmad – cars are left here, motorcycles are left, all the old things, which are still in good condition, are sold, the remaining is put away are scrap
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thing
Preeti – as scrap... so is this your shop?
Iqbal Ahmad – yes, this is my father's shop, and I have been working here for the last 40-50 years.
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Preeti – for 50 years?!
Iqbal Ahmad – forty four years I have been here for service.
Preeti – OK..
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Iqbal Ahmad – for 75 years, this shop has been my father's.
Preeti – your father's?
Iqbal Ahmad – yes, this...
Preeti – your father also used to work here?
Iqbal Ahmad – he used to work here, this shop has been my father's for 75 years.
Preeti – OH! That is very nice.
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Preeti - That is very nice.
Jayashree – so what all happens here?
Iqbal Ahmad- here parts of all cars are sold, like that of Ambassador...Spare parts...spare parts of cars like Fiat, of Dodge, of ?Pi...moth?, of Contessa....
Preeti – Cars as old as the ?Pi...moth? and all?
Iqbal Ahmad– we even sell parts of 28 Ford!
Preeti – Oh!...
Iqbal Ahmad– we even sell Austin 28!
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contessa
dodge
fiat
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Preeti- so what type of customers come here?
Iqbal Ahmad – all the customers who keep antique cars. People come from Bombay, from Ahmadabad, even from Delhi to take the stuff. Even here in Bangalore, there are many parties that come, who keep antique cars. They know that in our shop they would get the parts.
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Preeti – what is the name of your shop?
Iqbal Ahmad – R. Maqbool.
Preeti – and what is your name?
Iqbal Ahmad – Iqbal Ahmed.
Preeti - Iqbal Ahmed?
I. A. - yes.
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Jayashree – are you aware, from when all this is existing? Your shop is 75 years old, but....
Iqbal Ahmed – 75, service has been given.
Jayashree – yes, but his whole ...
Preeti – since when has this market been in existence?
Iqbal A – for 80 years.
Preeti – 80 years?
Iqbal A – that is right.
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Preeti – so you must have seen a how this market has changed?
Iqbal A – yes...
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Preeti - so tell us something about that. As in, in what way has the market changed? What all have you noticed? As you said, earlier there was the Aston Martin, that you would break open.
Iqbal A – thats right...
Preeti- but now a days, the cars have changed. So has the market. So what kind of change has it resulted in. tell us a bit of the story.
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Iqbal A – earlier, models of the Aston Martin used to be sold. Then started the Ambassador 60 model.
Preeti – those with mark IV or mark III ?
Iqbal A- the mark I, that is the 60 model. The 64 model is called mark IV. After that all this started changing. Understand?
Preeti – yes...
Iqbal A – after that came the Fiat Elegant, the 57 model. Then came the 90 model, 92 and then 93. now there is the Maruti car, the Maruti Van. Then comes the Toyota Qualis, the Fiat. The latest cars. Then there is the City Honda. Like that all the cars of different companies, cars of the ?.....?, all cars come here.
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city honda
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fiat elegant 57
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maruti
maruti van
model
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Jayashree – so how has this change affected business?
Iqbal A – now the old models have become less, so the latest stuff is sold here.
Preeti – yes..
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Preeti - ...so how has it affected your business?
Iqbal A – no, we, from the beginning, sell only the old stuff. The Austin Martins, the Contessa, all of them. Now the sale of such is good.
Preeti – sale is good?
Iqbal A – thats right.
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contessa
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stuff
Preeti – because now a days those cars are not found anywhere.
Iqbal A – these materials are not newly made. The old materials are available here. That is why it is in demand.
Preeti -in demand?
Iqbal A – yes...
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Preeti – tell us. Do you only stock the spare parts or are you also aware of how to fit those parts onto the cars? Do you know the entire process?
Iqbal A – we have knowledge of the materials (the parts). So we give an idea about it to the customers who come here.
Preeti – you give an idea?
I A – like how to go and put it, where to fit it, etc.
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Preeti – do those people get the parts fitted by you or from elsewhere?
I A – no no, they do it themselves.
Preeti – they fix the parts themselves?
Male voice – yes they do it by themselves.
I A – the mechanic and the owner come here, both came here, and we advice or suggest them.
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Preeti – OK, tell us, the customers, the owners who come here, what is the source from where they get to know about your shop?
Jayashree – how does the advertising of your shop take place?
I A – ?............?, in Tamil, in English and in Urdu.
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Preeti – no no, about your shop...how do the people come to know about your shop?
IA – most of the shops in Bangalore, know about our shop.
Preeti – they know?
IA – thats right
Male voice – they know....
Preeti – so your shop is very famous?
IA – thats right.
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Preeti – OK, tell me, this place has been in business for 75 years...
IA – yes...
Preeti – so, you.....your papa...
IA – father...
Preeti – yes, your father, did he take the decision that he wanted to stock the spare parts of the antiques....
Jayashree – no...
IA – antiques as in, at that time, the cars that were made then, the models that used to be sold, now those cars...
Preeti – today those cars are antiques...
IA – are antiques.
Preeti – yes, but you, as the business started to change, continued to do the same thing, right?
IA – no, we do all, the antique ones and the latest ones. We sell parts of the latest cars as well.
Preeti – latest as well....
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Preeti – so tell us how much of your business constitute of the antique and how much of the new? As in....
IA – the antiques, are the ones which are below the 50 model.
Preeti OK...
IA - The ones above, are not yet considered as antiques.
Preeti – yes, but in your business, how many things are related to antique...
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IA - ?................?
Preeti – yes, and the remaining?
IA – they come to take the materials of the cars that still work, the ones which are still working today.
Preeti – so you do both?
IA – yes... we do both.
Preeti – but your specialty is antiques.
Jayashree – no....
IA – no no, our specialty are the Antiques and the Ambassador, the Fiats.
Preeti – Ambassador, Fiat...
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fiat
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specialty
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Preeti – and what is your opinion about the new cars that have come in? Tell us a little about it. What do you think about the new cars, are they good or bad?
IA – 25 percent people come to take the parts here. The remaining 75 percent buy the parts from the company itself.
Preeti – OK...
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seventy five
spare part
twenty five
Jayashree – so do you want your children and family to join the same business?
IA – no right now my children are both in the PUC(Pre-University College) second year. They are both working here. One is of 25 years the other of 22. both are working with us.
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Preeti – OK,
Bhaisaab, you said a very interesting thing, that 75 percent people, buy directly from through dealership.
IA – they take it from the company....
Preeti - form the company....so the 25 percent people who come here, what is the reason that they come here?
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seventy five
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IA – the reason why the come here is, as in, they are not people with a lot of money.
Male voice- they are the smaller people...
IA – they don't have to pay the sales tax or income tax. And they are the smaller people. In a company they would get the material for a 1000 rupees, but if they take it from here, then it is only two hundred rupees.
Preeti – hmm...
IA – that is why they don't go to the companies.
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Preeti – but then, more than 25 percent should come here as then, everyone's money would be saved.
IA – it is not like that. There are many of the bigger people(rich) for whom, whatever are their expenditures, get cut by the income tax. The smaller people don't have to give income tax. They have the desire to drive cars. So they come here and get the parts fitted for a much cheaper rate.
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income tax
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twenty five
Jayashree – so in the past few years, has the percentage, of people coming here, increased? Or has, with the coming of the showrooms, the number reduced, or something like that?
IA – no now, with the introduction of a new car, after two three years, the public come here more often.
Preeti – what did you say? More people begin to come?
IA – yes, more people begin to come. As in, after two three years of the service of the car, that is when the people come, not when the cars are new. But the bigger parties, the billionaires
arabpati and the millionaires crorepati, they go to the company directly.
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Preeti – you tell us, if we compare you with the company, then what would be the difference between your behavior and theirs?
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IA – when the cars are left with the company for repair work, the bill given, minimum....there is no question of them giving a concession. The ordinary mechanic, for a bill of a 1000, he will even take 600 as a concession. And the parts that we sell, say four part of total 1000, we would take 400 as concession. But with a company, the rates are fixed, there is no bargaining.
Preeti – hmm, no bargaining?
IA – yes....
Preeti – so that is the biggest difference?
IA – yes, that is the biggest...
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rate
receipt
repair
rupee
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IA – and there is no question of asking for one(a concession) either. When people leave their car for a repair, they do whatever repairing is needed, and give a bill where they charge for each, the parts and labor, separately. You pay according to the bill and then you take your car.
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Preeti – so the customers who come here, do they happen to have more knowledge about automobiles?
IA – here, the original owners who come, 25 percent of them know about the parts of the car. But 75 percent of people, do not know anything.
Preeti – they know nothing....
IA – nothing....
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Preeti – and the people who come to you?
IA – the mechanics know everything well.
Male Voice – the mechanics come...
Preeti – they all know?
IA – very well...
Preeti – they know it very well....
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Preeti – so those people decide by themselves what they want?
IA – we show them, they look at it all properly, as in the condition of the parts, 80 percent if it is good, people take it with them, but if it is 50 percent, they tend to reject it and go away.
Preeti – they reject it and go away?
IA – yes.
Preeti – 50 percent as in you are talking about the good quality...
IA – as in the material that is here, out of 100, 200 percent, the condition, if 80 percent of it is good, then they take it with them, if it is only 50 percent they don't.
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Jayashree – could you show us two parts which are like that if they are here or...?...
Preeti – as in, could you show us some of these 'antique' parts?
IA – they is not here right now, they are in the shed.
Preeti – they are in the shed...
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Jayashree – do you have anything here?
Preeti – OK, tell me. I have been walking the whole day through Gujri and I have understood one thing, and you tell me if it is wrong or right.
IA – tell me...
Preeti – I felt that, in authorized dealership, I am from a company, but I don't know your name. But here in Gujri, everyone knows everybody. Everyone is everybody's friend. You are sitting in front of your customers, and you know them for a lot of years. What do you have to say about this?
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IA – I didn't understand....
Jayashree – here, there is a scrap dealer, this dealer and that....then can you go to them and take...
IA – yes, we go and take parts from them to sell off.
Jayashree – no...
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IA – the things that are not available here, if they are also available in another shop, then we do tell people the address of that shop and send them there....
Male Voice – we send them there...
IA - and tell them to take it from there.
Preeti – OK, OK....so is that good? As in tell us something more about it...
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IA – ...(Stephen's) Square market, it is called, ... here, only cars or two wheeler cars. on the Siddaiah road, only lorries, in Bamboo Bazaar, you will get all parts, as in of the tractors,
tamba(copper) pittal(brass) scrap, iron scrap. B. Usman Khan is the name. That is where you will get these. On Siddaiah road, you get parts only of lorries. Here, only of cars and two wheelers.
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Preeti – OK. I want to ask, that now there is no one particular shop, where everything is available. Are you understanding? As in, some people are resellers, some go to Salvage yard. Some people...
IA – no it is all different
Preeti – all different...but if you were given a chance to make all available in one shop then, would you like that or you wouldn't?
IA – we would have liked that but, we cant keep it like that...
Preeti – why?
IA – to keep materials of all kinds one needs lakhs of rupees.
Preeti – yes...
IA – I don't have that amount hence I cannot keep all kinds of materials..
Preeti – OK...
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Preeti - so that is the main reason.
IA – yes that is the main reason.
Preeti - A lot of money is required...
IA – yes a lot of money is required...
Preeti – that is why each person here has his own...
IA – yes, different things...
Preeti different things?
IA – prefer different things, so they have different types of spare parts.
Preeti – OK...
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Preeti – not there today?
Rais Ansari – yes...
Preeti – then, like you told us, that you were in Saudi Arabia...
Rais Ansari – yes I was...
Preeti - and there, you used to open up different cars.
Rais Ansari - yes I used to open different cars...
Preeti – so how has it been here for you...
Rais Ansari – here it is very different...
Preeti – how is it different here, tell us
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Rais Ansari – the cars that are driven here and those driven there are very different.
Jayashree – tell us more. What are the differences.
Rais Ansari - in India and the foreign countries there is always a lot of difference.
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Preeti – tell us what is the difference, please, I have never been to Saudi Arabia.
IA – see, what happens there is that whichever latest car that is introduced there, gets auctioned off with out being used. They are just stocked. as in forty fifty.. ..
Rais Ansari – one on top of the other, they are merely stocked
IA – wait, wait....they collect 40-50 cars and then they are punched
Preeti – yes...they are pressed from top.
IA – yes...
Rais Ansari – they are pressed....
Preeti – yes I have seen on TV.
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IA – that is not what happens here. Here, a department's car, say 15, 20, is they get spoiled, and are no longer in the condition to be used, the government then puts a tender on them or auctions them.
Preeti – OK.
IA – and amongst each other they decide to keep those cars.
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Preeti – OK...
IA – after that, whoever likes a particular car, they keep those cars.
Preeti- OK. OK. So this is what happens?...
IA – yes.
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auction
car
condition
department
government
keep
like
spoiled
tender
use
Preeti – so in India, a lot of
jugaad takes place, isn't it?
IA – what does that mean?
Preeti - jugaad, as in, the old things are made fresh(new) again. As in they are recycled again and used again.
Bangalore
Gujri
India
Shivaji Nagar
fresh
india
jugaad
material
new
old
recycle
reuse
thing
Preeti – so what do you feel about that? Is it good or bad or what?
IA – no, what happens in our India is that, whichever car becomes old, its materials(parts) are available in shops. Then in workshops, the mechanic's work goes on, the painter's work goes on and also does the work of the ?tinker?. So because of that one car, 8-10 men can take care of the livelihood of their families. So it is not a problem. It is a very good thing.
Preeti – it is a very good thing?
IA- yes it is.
Bangalore
Gujri
India
Shivaji Nagar
available
bad
car
care
continue
explain
family
good
india
livelihood
look after
man
material
mechanic
old
painter
part
problem
shop
Preeti – so you think this should continue the way it is?
IA – if it does continue, then everyone can be happy. A man with a lot of money, can go buy a new car. The smaller person, who cannot buy afford a new car will buy it in 50, 000 rupees and can be happy with it. If he had to buy a new car, it comes for minimum three lakhs or seven lakhs.
Bangalore
Gujri
Shivaji Nagar
afford
big
buy new car
class
continue
economic
everyone
fifty thousand
happy
lakh
lot
man
minimum
money
poor
rich
rupee
satisfied
seven
small
three
unable
IA – in that much money, totally, all men can work it out.
Preeti – all men can work it out?
IA – that is right.
Preeti – but, in a country like America or anywhere outside, all men cannot work it out, that is what you are saying right, that over there, only the people with a lot of money...
IA – America and Saudi, the people there have very different way of thinking, their business is also different. Our India's way, is the completely perfect way.
America
Bangalore
Gujri
India
Saudi Arabia
Shivaji Nagar
america
business
complete
different
earn
india
life
livelihood
lot
man
manage
mentality
method
money
outside
people
perfect
saudi arabia
thinking
total
unable
way
work
IA - here every human being is allowed the right to live and every person lives well. There, the right to live is much less. They only take care of themselves to live. You understand?
Preeti – hmm.. I understood.
Bangalore
Gujri
India
Shivaji Nagar
allow
care
country
earn livelihood
human being
india
less
live
outside
person
right
self
understand
well
IA – that does not happen here in India. Every man has the right to live here.
Preeti – every man...
IA – all humans live here, then may they be big(rich) or small(poor). The bigger human, the one with a lot of money, lives in a big way. The smaller, in a small way, but each does live. Completely free.
Preeti – free? A free life?
IA – thats right.
Preeti – that is very good.
Bangalore
Gujri
India
Shivaji Nagar
big
class
complete
earn livelihood
economic
free
freedom
good
human
india
life
live
man
money
poor
rich
right
small
way
IA – in India, there is no other locality(city) as good as our Bangalore.
Jayashree – Yey!!
IA – isn't it? In my view...
Jayashree – you are right, you are right...
Rais Ansari – have a seat.
IA – the most important thing is that, here in Bangalore, there is no issue of
jaat caste and such. And there is also no ?.....?
Bangalore
Gujri
India
Shivaji Nagar
bangalore
caste
city
compare
good
important
india
issue
jaat
locality
matter
opinion
perspective
seat
Jayashree – because even today as we were walking around the whole day, and it is so nice.
Preeti – Jaya, come into the frame.
Jayashree – from morning we are walking around. We have never come this side, in spite of living here all our lives.
Rais Ansari – where do you live?
Jayashree - ... and it is so nice here....
IA – what is it? Mobile?
Salesman - ?...? I wanted to talk to you people.
IA – no, no, I don't need a mobile...
Salesman – no, sir, this is for a land-line.
IA – listen to me...
Salesman – yes, yes...
IA – I have a phone in my shop for the last twenty years and in my house for the past 10 years.
Salesman – but right now we are giving it for free sir.
IA – no I don't want it...
Rais Ansari– how much is it for?
Salesman – we are not taking any money sir, this is free of cost.
IA – I definitely don't want it
Jayashree- it is free of cost now but after six months, it will result in a big bill.
(garble)
Bangalore
Gujri
Shivaji Nagar
big
bill
car
connection
cost
day
entire
frame
free
house
inquire
land-line
life
live
mobile
money
month
morning
nice
part
people
phone
present
refuse
request
result
salesman
shop
side
sir
six
spare part
talk
ten
time
today
twenty
walk
want
whole
year
IA – you do understand right? This is a very important thing I m telling you. In my view, there is no other city like Bangalore, in the whole of India.
bangalore
city
compare
important
opinion
understand
view
whole india
Jayashree – so all these new softwares that are coming out what is your opinion on them?
IA – sorry, about what?
Jayashree – software...
Preeti – softwares, cars, or the very fact that the cities are changing. Tell us something about that.
Jayashree – you must be knowing that here....
IA – the world might have developed but still, the human brain is under-developed. It is the
mohtaaj of development.
Preeti - mohtaj of development?
IA – yes.
Bangalore
Gujri
Shivaji Nagar
brain
car
change
city
development
human
introduce
mohtaj
new
opinion
software
world
Salesman – OK, what exactly is this happening for?
Preeti – one second sir, please do not interrupt.
Bangalore
Gujri
Shivaji Nagar
inquire
interrupt
interview
reason
request
salesman
second
Preeti – yes, tell me about that...what did you mean when you said development...
IA – the amount of development a person goes through, ?...? then his mind is free. But when a lot of money starts coming in, then that person, does not get enough sleep in the night, is always worried about his money, he even has the fear of stepping out of his house. Also there is so much of traffic happening on ?....? there is no limit to it!
Preeti – no limit..
Bangalore
Gujri
Shivaji Nagar
amount
begin
come
development
exit
fear
free
house
inability
issue
limit
lot
matter
mind
money
person
road
scare
sleep
step
traffic
worry
Preeti – so you feel, that because of the money coming into the city, peoples attitude have changed?
IA – their attitudes have changed and also humans have become
mohtaj of money. He has become a slave of money.
Bangalore
Gujri
Shivaji Nagar
attitude
change
city
human
mohtaj
money
people
reason
slave
IA – the more money a person has, the more
giri hui(dirty) his way of thinking becomes. Isn't it?
Preeti – hmm..
IA – talking to a person smaller than him, he views that as a very ikhadat
Bangalore
Gujri
Shivaji Nagar
class
dirty
economic
issue
mentality
money
person
poor
rich
small
thinking
view
Jayashree – the rich man, whatever he might say, is always to be considered correct.
Preeti – that is what has happened.
IA – it is supposed to be correct if the rich calls the night, day or if he calls the day, night.
Bangalore
Gujri
Shivaji Nagar
class
correct
day
man
money
night
obey
rich
right
say
Preeti – so now tell us, in call centers, as you said the night becomes day and the day becomes night, in the call centers , the recent additions.
IA – now they go for duty in the night, and come back in the day. Putting those (ear phones) to the ear.. in a few days, their minds 'go out'(stop working)
Preeti – yes, your said the correct thing, absolutely right.
Bangalore
Gujri
Shivaji Nagar
addition
bpo
call center
correct
day
duty
ear
ear phone
earn
function
livelihood
mind
night
occupation
opinion
recent
return
right
work
IA – being awake the whole night, with the sound going right in your ears through the ear-phones, very soon the person can go deaf. Now a person who is educated, he needs to work and take care of the livelihood of the house. He helplessly has to work like that. But because of that his hearing goes away.
Preeti – hmm...
IA – isn't it?
Preeti – yes, you are absolutely right.
Bangalore
Gujri
Shivaji Nagar
awake
care
condition
correct
deaf
diminish
ear
ear-phone
earn
educate
enter
hearing
helpless
house
job
livelihood
need
nithg
person
right
soon
sound
whole
work
Preeti – the call centers ruin people's mind...
IA – yes..
Preeti – so the softwares coming in, have your life changed because of them?
IA - no what is happening now, is a facility made available for humans. Phone is a facility. Within five ...one minute, people can be connected to Arab countries, or to America...
Preeti – yes...
IA – that is the development of humans. So it continues...
Preeti – it continues...that is it...
America
Bangalore
Gujri
India
Shivaji Nagar
america
arab country
available
call center
change
come
connect
continue
development
facility
human
introduce
life
lifestyle
mind
minute
people
phone
reason
responsible
ruin
software
telephone
time
Preeti – so if you, in this Gujri, have to start something modern, then would you like to do that or not? How will you feel?
IA – what is the meaning of modern?
Bangalore
Gujri
Shivaji Nagar
bangalore
begin
feel
gujri
inquire
like
meaning
modern
new
opinion
start
Preeti – modern as in... well all this technology that has come in, if someone tells you...OK imagine a man comes from outside the country, a foreigner or an Indian, anybody...
IA - OK...
Preeti – that man comes here and says, here, there is so much of dirt all over, or that there is nothing organized here...
Rais Ansari – yes...
Preeti – so he offers to make this whole area clean and beautiful and build a huge and grand...
Jayashree – all the data you possess... as in whatever is present in your shop, you have the data of it in your mind. But if all that is computerized, as in, so many are the tons of scrap, and so many tons are sold....all that data...
Preeti – everything, as in, they build a big, grand building....
Jayashree – so what kind of a difference will it make?
Preeti – so what do you feel if they make such a huge grand building, make everything clean and nice, make everything computerized...
Bangalore
Gujri
Shivaji Nagar
area
beautiful
big
build
building
clean
come
computerize
country
data
difference
dirt
foreigner
garbage
grand
huge
imagine
indian
man
mind
modern
nice
offer
organize
outside
own
possess
present
record
scrap
sell
shop
sold
tally
technology
ton
whole
IA – the thing is, to this bazaar, which is a part of the town itself and where there is a lot of garbage and a lot of noise, the government is planning to move this place some 20-25 kilometers away. That is the plan of the government.
Preeti – there is a plan....
Bangalore
Gujri
Shivaji Nagar
bazaar
exist
garbage
government
kilometer
move
noise
part
plan
town
twenty
twenty five
Preeti – when was this plan made?
IA – this plan was made 20 years back. But the authority has not yet put this plan into action.
Preeti – hasn't put the plan into action...
IA – when they will act on it? We, the people of this bazaar are also ready...
Preeti - are not ready?
IA – we are ready...
Preeti – OK you are ready....
Bangalore
Gujri
Shivaji Nagar
accept
act
action
authority
bazaar
decide
government
inquire
make
move
new
people
place
plan
ready
time
twenty
year
Preeti – why is that? You want that to happen?
IA – yes we will like that...
Preeti - why? Is there any specific reason?
IA – see people leave their cars here, there is a lot of garbage that gets collected here, then there is also a lot of noise, and in this little space that we have, we cant work here properly.
Preeti – hmm..
IA - that is why...if a big place is given to us, then there is a lot of space for the cars to be kept, to break them open....
Preeti – hmm, so you are saying it will be good...
IA – yes it will be good.
Bangalore
Gujri
Shivaji Nagar
act
action
bazaar
big
break
car
collect
garbage
good
government
keep
leave
little
move
new
noise
open
people
place
plan
space
unable
want
work
Preeti – if they shift you somewhere far and give you bigger space...what do you think, you will like that?
Haidar – we would all like that. It would be 'safe' for us there.
Preeti – safe?
IA – for some days traveling to and fro....
Haidar – it is going to be difficult...
IA – or some days traveling to and fro, will be difficult. But after that, 'automatically', a person gets used to it.
Preeti - will get used to it...
Bangalore
Gujri
Shivaji Nagar
accustomed
automatically
bazaar
bigger
day
difficult
far
government
inquire
like
person
place
plan
safe
shift
space
time
travel
Preeti – so right now, what is it that you find problematic in the current, existing situation? Here, what is the thing, that you have a problem with? Tell us, in case you have a problem with anything.
Bangalore
Gujri
Shivaji Nagar
current
find
problem
problematic
say
situation
tell
IA – what has happened now is, earlier in the bazaar, there where maximum 200 to 300 people. Now the number of people here is more than a thousand. There are more shops. There are more cars on the road, the road have become small. And there is a lot of traffic on the road...
Preeti – the traffic has increased ...
IA – it is a lot...
Preeti – since when has this traffic increased a lot?
IA – for the last, say minimum four to five years, earlier the traffic was 8 annas – fifty percent, now the traffic is one rupee In that, to travel to and fro is a lot of trouble. A lot of problem.
Preeti – hmm...
Bangalore
Gujri
Shivaji Nagar
bazaar
earlier
five
four
increase
lot
maximum
minimum
more
number
past
people
population
problem
thousand
three hundred
time
traffic
travel
trouble
two hundred
year
Preeti – so
bhaisaab, let us just say, it might not happen, but I am just saying ...
IA – tell me..
Preeti - that some new government comes to power.
IA – OK...
Preeti – and they say that all this is illegal, this Gujri. Suppose they say that.
IA – OK...
Preeti – and they say that no one is allowed to buy materials from here. So what would you have to say to that?
Bangalore
Gujri
Shivaji Nagar
allow
area
bhaisaab
buy
government
gujri
hypothetical
illegal
material
new
opinion
place
power
refuse
say
situation
IA – nobody needs to say anything to it. This is the issue issue of peoples'
rozi (livelihood).
Preeti – hmm..
IA – the person whose business it more, it is OK. The person whose business is less, that is also OK. Every man is earning what he can to take care of his wife and children. Nobody has the right to challenge that.
Preeti – nobody has the right?
IA – no. nobody has the right to take away a person's ?'reserve'? (livelihood)
Preeti – hmm..
IA – nobody..
Preeti - hmm
Bangalore
Gujri
Shivaji Nagar
business
care
challenge
children
earn
family
house
issue
job
less
livelihood
man
more
occupation
people
person
right
rozi
wife
work
IA – then any person may become the authority, but they would still have no right.
Preeti – OK...
IA – God, who every human, animal and even an ant, calls the mover of the world; in our tongue(language), Urdu, he is called Allah, in English he is called God, when he doesn't, then what right do humans have to snatch away all of that?
Preeti – hmm..
IA – no right, isn't it?
Preeti – correct...
Bangalore
Gujri
Shivaji Nagar
allah
animal
ant
authority
correct
earn
english
god
human
job
language
livelihood
mover
name
occupation
people
person
right
snatch
tongue
urdu
work
world
IA – then, even if any other authority comes to power, authority keeps changing. But people's mentality cannot change, their behavior cannot change. And so can't their shops.
Preeti – hmm, correct. So you feel that if such a new law is passed, it will not work.
IA - that law will not work.
Preeti – law will not work?
IA - who can take away the
rozi (livelihood) of people? The new authority, the government that comes to power, its duty is to support the people of the bazaar.
Preeti – to support....
Bangalore
Gujri
Shivaji Nagar
authority
bazaar
behavior
change
correct
duty
earn
feel
government
law
livelihood
mentality
new
pass
people
person
power
rozi
shop
support
unable
work
Preeti – see, this...
Haidar – ....all small and big people live...
IA – now, the people who live here...
Haidar - A lot of very poor people live, here.
Bangalore
Gujri
Shivaji Nagar
big
class
condition
economic
everyone
extreme
gujri
live
people
poor
rich
small
IA – see, understand, that there are 25 percent who live in a good condition. The remaining 75 percent of people have to work through the day to take care of their houses.
Haidar – yes...those kind of people...
IA – those kind of people are here. Now for them, if a law like that is passed, and if peoples head get hot, not only laws, but they can also uproot and fling each other away. As in if someone tries to snatch away their means of livelihood.
Preeti – hmm.. that is very good. I can understand what you are trying to say.
Bangalore
Gujri
Shivaji Nagar
angry
care
condition
day
earn
fling
good
government
gujri
hot-headed
house
kind
law
livelihood
method
night
pass
people
percent
say
seventy five
snatch
try
twenty five
type
understand
uproot
way
work
Preeti – tell us, as you said the laws that get introduced should support the citizens, isn't it? So one such...you tell me...
IA – the governments in authority should introduce such laws, which are easy for the authority and the opposite person can also accept and agree with .
Preeti – agree with them...
IA – there can be a
hukumat only when the two are together. If the public and the authority are together, only then can a hukumat function. If the authority enforces their laws, then the people don't accept it. And if the public enforces its laws on the authority, then the authority also does not accept it. So, only when the two meet, can a law be made.
Preeti – work gets done..
Bangalore
Gujri
Shivaji Nagar
accept
agree
authority
citizen
easy
enforce
form
function
government
hukumat
introduce
law
make
meet
one
opposite
people
support
together
united
Preeti – but if I tell you that, I m the new
hukumat, and I ask you, what I can...and how I can help you, serve you, then what would you ask for? Tell us that.
IA – now the authority, the first person is the MP – the parliament members. He is the biggest of the parliament. Second, after him, comes the MLA (Member of Legislative Assembly). After him, the third is the Councilor. Their work is to roam in all areas, find out who has what problems, and try and solve them, ease them, to help the public and to do what the public wants done. If they are merely sitting on the chair of the authority and doing what they want, then that is not what can work...
Preeti – hmm..
Bangalore
Gujri
Shivaji Nagar
area
ask
assembly
authority
biggest
chair
councilor
duty
find
help
hukumat
job
legislative
member
mla
mp
new
parliament
person
problem
public
roam
second
serve
sit
solve
tell
third
try
understand
work
Preeti – so right now for you, what is the most important demand? If I can make anything easy for you, what would it be?
Bangalore
Gujri
Shivaji Nagar
current
demand
easy
help
important
inquire
issue
present
solve
IA – right now what I would request the authority to make easy would be, that they should break this bazaar and build a new one for us. If they do we would highly appreciate it.
Preeti – OK. So do you have any form of an association?
IA – yes we do.
Preeti – so have you put forth these demands to the association?
Haidar – to the association?
Preeti – yes...
IA – yes, we did ask, tell them. But they kept saying they will do it, but no one really did anything.
Preeti – OK...
Bangalore
Gujri
Shivaji Nagar
appreciate
association
authority
bazaar
break
built
current
demand
easy
front
group
inability
issue
keep
new
present
request
say
Preeti – so in the association, do people also change?
IA – yes, every three years an...
Preeti – election?
IA – yes.
Preeti - yes so you all give you votes?
Haidar- yes,
IA – yes we do.
Preeti – so you have voted. you know who is there?
Haidar – (garble)
Preeti – so who is it now?
Bangalore
Gujri
Shivaji Nagar
association
change
election
people
period
three
time
vote
year
IA – in all there are twenty one members. They stand for the election. Whichever man is preferred, for him you have to vote.
Preeti – these twenty, twenty two people who are there, how do they get chosen? Who choses them...as in... how is their nomination done?
Bangalore
Gujri
Shivaji Nagar
chose
election
inquire
man
member
nomination
participation
preference
process
stand
twenty one
Preeti – can anyone help in selecting their candidates?
All – yes, any one can..
Preeti – so what kind of people...? do they have a good knowledge about the business?
Haidar – yes, they have a good knowledge about the business, they understand it well.
IA – they understand it well.
Haidar– they all are the shopkeepers...
IA - they are aware of the new people in the bazaar, they know about the old people as well. They recognize them all very well. Those type of men stand for the elections
Bangalore
Gujri
Shivaji Nagar
aware
bazaar
business
candidate
election
enter
good
help
know
knowledge
man
new
old
participate
people
select
shopkeeper
stand
type
understand
will
IA – so thousands of people vote and 21 members are chosen. The 21 members chose among themselves three members.
Preeti – oh! Amongst themselves...
IA – yes...the President, the secretary, and the treasurer.
Preeti – OK.
Bangalore
Gujri
Shivaji Nagar
chose
explain
member
participate
people
secretary
select
thousand
three
twenty one
vote
Preeti – so do you have to give any money to the association?...no?
Haidar– if there is any need for it, only then....
IA – if there is any need for it, if the association declares it or for elections or any other...only then.
Preeti – and the laws of the association mostly followed here?
IA – yes yes, they are always followed.
Preeti – what type of laws, give me an example, I am not aware of them.
Haidar – the thing is, if I m doing the right thing, then they support me. But if I m doing something wrong, then they don't.
Bangalore
Gujri
Shivaji Nagar
association
aware
declare
election
example
follow
give
inquire
law
money
need
obey
right
support
type
unaware
wrong
Haidar – and during our Id or any such festival, they organize some functions for it.
Preeti – they organize function?
Haidar– they keep people 'safe'. Such things happen. And every poor man is given to eat and drink. Everyone.
Rais Ansari - (garble)
Bangalore
Gujri
Shivaji Nagar
care
drink
eat
festival
function
give
id
keep
man
muslim
organize
poor
safe
Preeti – that is very good.
IA - and for any of the poor, as in, if his daughter is getting married, then money is collected for him and is given to him. If there is anyone poor who wants to go our of his place, as in...
Preeti – to his village or like that...
IA - .(garble)... then they not only pay for that person's ticket fare, but they also send him off with some money for other expenditures.
Bangalore
Gujri
Shivaji Nagar
care
collect
daughter
expenditure
fare
give
good
man
marriage
money
move
participate
pay
place
poor
send
ticket
travel
village
wedding
Preeti – these people of the association, the candidates, are they also shopkeepers?
IA – yes, they are shopkeepers...
Preeti – are they big shopkeepers or those of all types?
Haidar– all are the same...
Bangalore
Gujri
Shivaji Nagar
association
big
candidate
participate
people
same
shopkeeper
small
types
IA – here there is nothing like big person or small.
Preeti – OK...
IA – whichever person is a member of the association, the ?executive? members, can stand for elections. These members are then voted for by the other shopkeepers. After that, whoever is leading... the same way as any other election, the Councilor, the MLA, like that...
Preeti – yes, I understand.
Bangalore
Gujri
Shivaji Nagar
allow
association
big
class
councilor
economic
election
lead
legislative assembly
member
mla
participate
person
poor
rich
shopkeeper
small
stand
understand
vote
Preeti – have you ever stood for the elections?
IA – like that, the ?thirty plus five? years that I have been in this service, all those years I have stood for it. But now since the last three years, I haven't.
Preeti – before the three years....
IA – before those three years, I was a member of the association for almost thirty years.
Preeti -for thirty years you were a member!
IA – yes...
Preeti – Oh, that is a very good thing.
Bangalore
Gujri
Shivaji Nagar
association
election
end
good
inquire
job
member
participate earlier
past
service
stand
stood
stop
thirty
three
work
year
Preeti – so you are aware what kind of work is done.
IA – where?
Preeti – in the association.
IA – very good work,
Preeti – very well done?
IA – very well done... not accepting stolen materials. If someone does accept any type of stolen materials, that person is not supported by the association.
Preeti – does not support.
IA – they first declare that they will not support anyone who buys stolen goods, or that anyone who is wrong will not be supported. And that such people should look after themselves.
Preeti – yes...
Bangalore
Gujri
Shivaji Nagar
accept
association
aware
buy
care
declare
good
material
people
person
self
stolen
support
undertaken
well
withdraw
work
wrong
Preeti – by stolen goods you mean, a stolen car or....
IA – yes, a stolen car in bought from a thief, and people get to know about it, then the members of the association do not support that person.
Preeti – they don't support.
Bangalore
Gujri
Shivaji Nagar
association
aware
buy
car
good
know
material
member
people
stolen
support
thief
withdraw
Preeti – and why have you not been standing as a member in the association? Any reason?
IA – reason, as in, earlier the strength that I had, I don't have that anymore.
Preeti – OK. It is like that. OK... I m understand...
Bangalore
Gujri
Shivaji Nagar
association
inquire
member
old
participate
past
reason
stand
strength
understand
weak
Preeti – so that place, 25 kilometers away which has been promised by them, if that happens, then you will like it.
IA – yes.
Haidar – we will like that. Also if they just break Gujri....
IA – if they break Gujri and make...
Rais Ansari– if they rebuild this Gujri then it will nice.
Preeti – nice in what way? As in what kind of facilities do you need?
Haidar – as in here, the shops are so small, if they are broken...
Preeti – do you need a ?base?, the kind that the mechanics have.
IA - the work done here is not the type of work done by the mechanics. ...
Haidar – here no mechanical work is done, only parts are sold...
IA – ...Only sale.
Preeti – only sale...
Bangalore
Gujri
Shivaji Nagar
accept
base
break
broken
facility
gujri
inquire
kilometer
mechanic
mechanical
need
nice
part
promise
rebuild
sale
sell
shop
small
sold
space
twenty five
work
Preeti - so do you want these type of things(shelves) to be new .....
Haidar – no we want one with a proper wall
Preeti – a wall...
IA – the thing is, if a shop like ours is broken and a new one made, then we, on our own, will make the showcase
Preeti – you can make the showcase?
IA – yes, we can.
Rais Ansari – the welding work...(garble)
IA – that they can understand
Bangalore
Gujri
Shivaji Nagar
break
broken
build
made
new
shelf
shop
showcase
thing
type
understand
wall
welding
work
Haidar – if they make this place 'safe' then also it will be good.
IA – it will be good.
Preeti – it will be good.
Haidar – even if they give us a place which is a little far but big....
Preeti – now there are a lot of people here, that is what you are saying...
All – yes..
IA – a lot of people are here, but it is going on.....
Preeti – it is going on...
Bangalore
Gujri
Shivaji Nagar
big
care
easy
far
good
gujri
little
lot
people
place
safe
IA – we are not the ones who moves the world, the only one who does is the One above. Then may the people be small or big.
Bangalore
Gujri
Shivaji Nagar
big
god
human
move
people
poor
rich
small
world
Haidar – the people come, do their hard work, and bear the fruits of it.
Preeti – If , tomorrow, I wish to start my own new shop here, then I can...
IA – no you cant...
Haidar- you cant start a shop here like that.
Preeti – then what must be done?
Haidar – the servants of all the people living here will be allowed
IA – no no as in...
Haidar– but an outsider cannot...
IA – no, no...here, the family members, as in my father, father's father – grandfather, the descendants of the family...
Preeti – from the descendants...
IA – and only those people can be the members.
Preeti – no one new?
IA – no...
Preeti – then how can the new people come here?
Bangalore
Gujri
Shivaji Nagar
allow
bear
come
descendant
enter
family
father
fruit
future
grandfather
gujri
hard work
inquire
live
member
new
open
outsider
own
people
place
result
servant
shop
start
tomorrow
wish
work
IA – well, how the newer people can come, is that, for example there is a brother who will call his brother....
Preeti – Oh! Its like that!
IA - ...he will call his sister and her husband. Like that the family members....
Preeti – Oh! So it is all for those within the family, for the relatives...
IA – yes, for those in the family.
Bangalore
Gujri
Shivaji Nagar
brother
call
come
enter
example
family
gujri
husband
invite
member
new
people
relatives
sister
within
Preeti – so everyone here knows the other?
IA – yes they do.
Preeti – so there is no place for the new people.
IA – no there isn't...
Preeti – OK....
Bangalore
Gujri
Shivaji Nagar
allow
everyone
gujri
know
new
no-entry
other
people
place
recognize
Preeti – so what have you noticed about the newer ..the people of my age? What do they like? As in, do they want to do similar work here is it that their choices are changing?
Haidar – here we have people, all with different ways of thinking...
Rais Ansari - the system here is different...
Preeti – in what way....
Haidar– now see. There is one person, who wants to work here, the other wants to be the owner of this place, the third will be the one who will buy this place. Then there will be someone who wants to do the
feri work
Preeti - feri means?
IA – the one who brings materials to sell....
Haidar- feri means the one who buys materials to sell them off.
Preeti – Ah!
IA – he brings it from outside, and he sells it here...
Haidar – the person who keeps those materials in his shop and sells them.
Preeti – hmmm
Haidar – like that, each one here thinks differently.
Bangalore
Gujri
Shivaji Nagar
age
bring
buy
change
choice
different
earn
explain
feri
generation
inquire
job
like
material
meaning
mentality
need
new
notice
occupation
outside
owner
people
person
place
reseller
same
sell
shop
think
thought
type
want
way
work
youngster
youth
Preeti – so what do the youngsters think now a days?
Haidar – now a days the youngsters think....
IA – the thing is, in this bazaar, now, there are 80 percent people who are busy with their education, they are studying.
Preeti – the are studying...
IA – and many of them are also working. Government jobs.
Preeti – government jobs?
IA – yes.
Preeti – hmm.
Bangalore
Gujri
Shivaji Nagar
bazaar
busy
earn
education
eighty
employment
generation
government
job
percentage
study
think
thought
today
work
youngster
youth
Preeti – and these new companies that have started...do any of them work there?
IA - Yes there are many from the bazaar who work in them.
Preeti – no, no, as in are there any children working in companies like the call centers....
IA – yes, there are many. As in with computers....some are engineers, working with computers, someone else is working with the government... like that there are a lot of people who are working.
Bangalore
Gujri
Shivaji Nagar
bazaar
bpo
call center
children
company
computer
employment
engineer
government
job
many
start
work
youngster
youth
Preeti – so do you think the work of Gujri will continue? If all the youngsters starts working elsewhere, then what will happen to Gujri?
IA – it will continue, it will definitely continue.
Haidar – it will definitely continue...
IA – as in, say if there are two children, one who looks after the shop and the other....
Haidar– I want to say one thing...as long as there are cars, this Gujri will continue. Now a days the thing is, nobody buys materials worth a thousand rupees....
IA – no I have told them all of that...
Haidar– oh, you have told them....
IA – the materials worth a thousand, the richer owners, go and buy.
Haidar – and buy...
IA – here, the smaller people, get it for 30 percent, and they take it. Earlier ?...? now, latest, this is happening...
Haidar – latest this is happening...
IA – I have already told them that....
Haidar – you have told them....that is a very good thing....
Bangalore
Gujri
Shivaji Nagar
afford
buy
car
care
children
continue
cost
definitely
employment
explain
generation
good
guji
job
latest
manage
material
new
nobody
occupation
opinion
owner
people
percentage
rate
rich
rupee
shop
smaller
thirty
thousand
work
youngster
youth
Preeti – so it is fine, you think.
IA – it will be perfectly fine...
Preeti - You have no fear.
IA – no, no...
Haidar – we have faith in Allah.
Rais Ansari – it will definitely continue.
Preeti – OK...
IA – it will continue with ease.
Preeti – hmm, OK...
Bangalore
Gujri
Shivaji Nagar
allah
alright
comfort
continue
definitely
ease
faith
fear
fine
god
gujri
livelihood
method
muslim
perfect
way
work
IA – the houses are small, but the population is big. Now the thing is, ?........................? and in that one house, the husband and wife live with only two children. Here, ?....? is second. In each house there are five to six people, total, 15 people. So then there is bound to be more traffic and also a lot of dirt. The corporation also does not clean the places. Now if you tally this with the houses...(garble)
Bangalore
Gujri
Shivaji Nagar
area
big
children
clean
cleanliness
corporation
dirt
estate
family
fifteen
five
garbage
house
husband
people
planning
population
ratio
reason
second
six
small
tally
total
traffic
wife
Preeti – sorry, what did you say? I did not get that. What was the last thing you said?
IA – the garbage......at R. T. Nagar or at B.T.M layout or at Banashankari , there the roads are eighty feet wide. And there, the people of the corporation daily come to collect the garbage. They do not pick up garbage over here. They do so once in two or three days. Dirty water keeps going into ?...? and they come after two or three days
Bangalore
Gujri
Shivaji Nagar
avoid
collect
corporation
daily
day
dirty
eighty
feet
garbage
gujri
measurement
people
road
water
wide
Preeti – why do you think they do that? This biased approach, what is the reason behind it, in your opinion.
IA – the reason why they do that is because in the other areas, the work is done first, not here. Also here, it is the irresponsibility of the MLA's, the Councilors, and also that of the corporation....the workers.
Bangalore
Gujri
Shivaji Nagar
approach
bias
clean
corporation
councilor
first
inquire
irresponsible
legislative assembly
member
mla
opinion
preference
reason
work
worker
Preeti – is it also that here, people don't raise their voice...
IA – the people of this place, Shivaji Nagar, are peace loving people, they are nice people. Here in Shivjai Nagar, there are lesser murder cases, hardly two. There are also fewer
Talaqs divorces. But the name of this place is muft mein badnaam (simply infamous). You go see it in the station, here, in 10 years there are no divorce cases, there are no murders that take place. Yet, this Shivaji Nagar is simply infamous.
Bangalore
Gujri
Shivaji Nagar
area
case
demand
divorce
few
gujri
infamous
less
loving
murder
name
nice
oppose
peace
peaceful
people
place
police
raise
shivaji nagar
station
talaq
ten
voice
year
IA – you go to other areas and see in the station, there are so many complaints of the women, there are so many complaints of the ?......? where all does this not happen? But still only the name of this place is infamous.
Preeti – the name is infamous....
IA – why? Because the name of Shivaji Nagar is advertised that way. The main thing is, the main intention is that, here 70 percent people are Muslims. 30 percent are all the others, the Hindus and the others. But in spite of that, the Hindus and Muslims here, live together in peace, and support each other like brothers. But still the outsiders make this place
muft mein badnaam (simply infamous)
Preeti – hmm....
IA – always. But that is not what happens here.
Bangalore
Gujri
Shivaji Nagar
advertise
area
brother
complaint
different
gujri
hindu
infamous
intention
live
locality
muslim
name
outsider
peace
people
percentage
place
population
problem
religion
seventy
shivaji nagar
spoil
support
thirty
together
woman
IA – now right in front of our house stays a Christian family.
Preeti – hmm
IA – as in they were practically born there, just like I was. And till date he is like my brother. He calls me
bhai (brother) and I also call him bhai . till now there has never been any kind of trouble between us.
Preeti – hmm..
IA – like that there are a lot of Hindus as well....
Preeti - so in other areas they create a chaos and they advertise well?
IA – they make this place infamous. For no reason. But that is not what happens here.
Bangalore
Gujri
Shivaji Nagar
advertise
bhai
born
brother
call
chaos
christian
create
family
front
hindu
man
opposite
reason
stay
trouble
IA – if you want to know about all this, then you go to a station nearby and see how many dowry cases and divorce cases are registered there. If you request them then you can get the information in detail about what kind of people are here and what kinds of mentalities they have.
Preeti – hmm, I can understand....
Bangalore
Gujri
Shivaji Nagar
case
detail
divorce
dowry
find
information
know
mentality
people
police
proof
register
request
station
understand
Preeti - we spoke for a long time with them,
Bhaisaab...
Allah Bakshi – is that so?
Preeti - he told us a lot of good and interesting things....
Allah Bakshi– yes yes, he is my sister's son. This young girl also spoke to us pretty well. She told us ?.....?
Bangalore
Gujri
Shivaji Nagar
bhaisaab
girl
good
information
interesting
long
nicely
sister
son
speak
spoke
tell
thing
time
well
young
Preeti – it would be good if we can get your opinion as well...
Allah Bakshi- tell me, what do you want to know? You see, there is a lot of difference between people of the past and those now. Earlier there was humanity, elders were respected.
Male Voice – just one minute madam, just come.....(garble)
Allah Bakshi – now all those values hardly exist. Otherwise everything is fine. I was telling your friend earlier, to go and talk to ?Hunar? Shankar, he stays there, and that you should go and talk to him tomorrow by around 10 or 11 in the morning.
Preeti – who is it we should talk to?
Allah Bakshi – he is the Councilor.
Preeti – with the Councilor...
Allah Bakshi – he is a very good man
Preeti – a very good man?
Allah Bakshi – yes yes...
P – what is his name?
Allah Bakshi – Hunar Shankar.
P – Hunar Shankar.
Rais Ansari – yes..
Bangalore
Gujri
Shivaji Nagar
advice
attitude
behavior
councilor
difference
elder
eleven
exist
friend
good
hardly
humanity
lot
madam
man
minute
morning
name
opinion
past
people
present
request
respect
stay
talk
ten
time
values
P – and what is your name?
Allah Bakshi – they call me Allah Bakshi. Bakshi..
P – ok, Bakshi..
Allah Bakshi- yes, Bakshi...
P – OK, so how long have you been here in Bangalore?
Allah Bakshi– for 77years.
P – for 77 years?
Allah Bakshi – yes. Right now I am 88 years old.
P – 88 years?
Allah Bakshi – hmm
P – OK.
Bangalore
Gujri
Shivaji Nagar
bangalore
eighty eight
inquire
long
name
old
seventy seven
time
year
P – I would like to ask you, as you must have been staying here for a long time. So, tell us what kind of changes have you seen in the world. Please, if you could talk a bit about it.
Bangalore
Gujri
Shivaji Nagar
ask
change
long
notice
observe
request
see
stay
talk
time
world
Man – things are not as they were before. Now a lot of advancement has taken place. All kinds of work, there has been development.
P – hmm.
Bangalore
Gujri
Shivaji Nagar
advancement
before
change
development
earlier
past
things
work
world
P – about this development what do you feel, is it good, bad, or what?
Man – earlier things were cheap now costs have increased.
P – costly.. and now the new technology that has come, new materials and parts and computers, all that have come, what do you have to say about those?
Bangalore
Gujri
Shivaji Nagar
bad
cheap
come
computer
cost
costly
development
earlier
feel
good
increase
inquire
material
new
opinion
part
past
price
rate
technology
things
Man – about those I can't say anything.
P – no as in has there been any kind of change in your life with the introduction of these things?
Man – yes there has been change...
P – yes...
Man – there is a lot of difference between the present and the past.
Bangalore
Gujri
Shivaji Nagar
affect
agree
change
development
difference
introduction
life
opine
past
present
result
talk
unable
Allah Bakshi– you talk at around 10, 12 am with him. He is a very nice man.
Jayashree – Hunar shankar right?
Allah Bakshi – yes. He is a very nice man...
Preeti – yes, we will remember.
Bangalore
Gujri
Shivaji Nagar
am
confirm
man
morning
nice
remember
remind
talk
time
P – we felt very good coming here and talking to them all.
Allah Bakshi – all these children are all educated and literate. He, my sister's son, is also a good person with a good mentality. Our girls too are as educated as you girls.
P – oh, that is good.
Allah Bakshi– ?she also said that the address...?
Bangalore
Gujri
Shivaji Nagar
children
come
educated
education
express
feel
girl
good
gujri
literate
mentality
person
same
sister
son
talk
thinking
P - Would you like to say anything
Bhaisaab?
Noor– I can say something?
P – yes tell us...about this market and how it has changed.
Bangalore
Gujri
Shivaji Nagar
bhiasaab
change
inquire
market
opine
say
tell
Noor– in our time, there was nothing.
P – OK..
Noor – there were the push-carts , the bullock-carts, there was a bit of ?...? now everything has changed.
P – everything has changed?
Noor– the young used to respect their elders, but today, the youngsters have no form of respect for their elders.
P - no form of respect for their elders.
Bangalore
Gujri
Shivaji Nagar
bullock-cart
change
earlier
elder
nothing
past
present
push-cart
respect
time
today
transport
vehicle
young
youngster
youth
P – have there been any changes in the business?
Noor– business and everything else has changed.
P – the people who now have a lot of money , what do you have to say about them?
Noor- they are arrogant.
P – they are arrogant?
Noor – yes.
Bangalore
Gujri
Shivaji Nagar
arrogant
business
change
earlier
lot
money
past
people
present
today
P – do you have any opinion on the softwares and how because of them the city has changed?
Noor – no about that I can't say much.
P – can't say...
Noor– this is all related to money.
P – money...OK
Noor – now our sons also don't respect us.
Bangalore
Gujri
Shivaji Nagar
change
city
money
opine
opinion
relate
respect
responsible
software
son
unable
Noor – my name is Noor.
Preeti – your name is Noor? OK...and yours?
Haidar – it is Haidar.
Preeti – huh?
Haidar – Haidar.
Preeti – Haidar. How long have you been working here?
Haidar – I have been here for 22 years.
Preeti – for twenty two years?! And what is your age?
Haidar – 32. ten year...
P – you mean from the time you were 10 years old you have been working here?
Haidar – at the age of 10 I became a mechanic. And I was born in... this Asha Hotel nearby?
P – yes...
Haidar – there I was born, that too in a car.
P – you were born in a car?!
Haidar – no certificate.
Bangalore
Gujri
Shivaji Nagar
age
birth
born
car
certificate
child
earn
hotel
inquire
job
live
long
mechanic
name
outside
ten
time
twenty two
work
year
young
Noor – without a permit.
Preeti – what did you say?
Noor- there is no permit.
P -there is no permit..there is no need for a permit either.
Haidar – neither in a house nor in a hospital...
Jayashree – is there a need for a permit? What difference does it make, everyone still lives.
Noor – in the past, deliveries would take place in houses....a child would be born in the house itself!
Preeti – right...
Bangalore
Gujri
Shivaji Nagar
birth
born
child
continue
delivery
difference
hospital
house
life
live
need
past
permit
Noor – from ?.....? to here in Shivaji Nagar. Here one hospital and this side Bowring only these two were there.
P – only two hospitals?
N – yes, during our time. Now there are hospitals everywhere.
Bangalore
Gujri
Shivaji Nagar
birth
born
earlier
hospital
past
present
shivaji nagar
time
two
Bangalore
Gujri
P – what did you say?
Rais Ansari - Rais Ansari
P- and you have been here for how many years?
.....(garble)
Jayashree – yes, we will definitely inform you...
Shivaji Nagar
definitely
earn
inform
inquire
job
name
work
year
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