Tehelka Rent-A-Riot Sting - Vasantkumar Bhavani, Ram Sene Head (Bengaluru)
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Summary: The Truth is an investigative report based on Tehelka's sting operation on key sangh members who are seen describing the events and consequences of 2002 Gujrat pogrom.
Bhavani (B): We're keeping these ideals in mind.
Reporter (R): Vasantji, is the 'Support Jihad' okay as the name of the exhibition?
R: Because it is ideaologically different from yours.
B: It will be better if you keep the name Husain.
R: If we keep the name Husain, I won't get the 'mileage'. Husain will get the 'mileage'.
B: Hussain will get mileage. You should have material to display. Do you have it?
R: There is a slaughtered cow.
B: If you want support, how does 'Love Jihad' sound?
R: Whatever three or four points you have, all that has been covered.
In 'Love Jihad' I have clearly made a sindoor. The girl's face is a little shadowed.
R: Her hand is holding the Muslim cap, the one that is netted, close to her heart. It's on cow slaughter.
R: All your points on cultural gods and cow slaughter, photographs covering all four points are available.
B: I cannot give you assurance on how much damage will be done. There will be damage, but how much damage, that I cannot guarantee.
B: Because our boys are very ferocious. They don't look right or left.
R: Once done is done.
B: Yes. I can't avoid them either because they will get annoyed with me. When the leader is ferocious, his followers are just as ferocious.
B: This much I want to tell you that there will be damage, but I cannot tell you how much damage.
R: There can be public beatings?
B: There can be public beatings..if they find anyone there. Our boys do all this..
R: And in case there is a crowd, it can't be controlled..
B: No, it can't be.
R: An ambulance must be kept ready?
B: That also can happen. They're madmen... More the harrassment, harder our workers get.
B: That happens and all that has to be tolerated.
R: From our side, whatever happens in the art gallery programme, we don't want to file a case. If there is no rival party...
B: You have to file a case.
R: In Mangalore the 'setting' with Prasad is that there won't be a case.
B: His thinking's different and ours is different.
R: It has to look like reality?
You have to file a case. Otherwise what is the point?
R: We can say that we are North Indians. Mob had gathered, the mob left and we don't know anything.
B: You will have to take the democratical freedom that you have, na.
R: So I'll file a case?
B: You will have to. If we make a mistake, you have to file a case on us, no?
R: Don't you think it is going to be very complicated then?
B: It should be complicated. Only then the purpose will be solved.
B: Once you have stepped into the water...
R: ..then what's to worry about?
B: Cool breeze....
R: [Why bother about] how deep it is or not...
B: We'll see what happens later. Once you have stepped into the water, then that is your work.
See, his thinking is different and mine is different. His way of style is different and my way of style is different.
R: Yeah, okay. His geographical conditions whatever may be..
B: ..he knows best. I know what my conditions are.
R: You know what is in your city..absolutely. Okay. As you instruct. But coming to court regularly and standing there.
R: For any man to come 3,000 km, technically it will be very difficult.
B: We'll find a way for that. Once this is a success for you, I will sit you down and explain it to you. What to do, how to do it..
R: If a local lawyer is set and the date keeps getting extended..
B: I will explain it to you..how and what to do..
B: But mentally, you be prepared.
R: If this is being done, it has to be done with full force..
B: Not with force, mentally be prepared.
B: Or other options if there are any. I am giving you this option so that you are prepared. It's not that you have to file a case..we'll think of that later.
B: But you should be prepared 100 percent.
R: One line for the organisations and other for the workers.
R: 5 lakh for the organisation..that makes it 60. On the workers level, if there is a case then okay, current division will be made to 50, 000.
R: Some will go to him, some will be used on the case. If 10 boys come then five lakh will be used. He gave me two lines:
R: What you do with the organisation, you discuss with Muthalikji. For the boys, I will let you know. The 'setting' with the police will also have to be done.
B: You must. Without it, it cannot be done.
R: So it is going in three dimensions-the organisation, the workers and the police
B: That's how it works.
R: I'm there, Vasantji.
B: No, no. You are our guest.
R: Vasantji, what are you saying. You are a lot younger than me.
B: When we come, you can provide any service you want to.