Amar Singh Tapes with Kushagra Bajaj: The Amar Prem Katha: Part 23 23
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Phone conversations of Samjwadi Party leader Amar Singh with several eminent personalities. Overwhelmingly happy about the approval of a policy for sugar and award of certificate to practice certain business, Kushagra Bajaj expresses his happiness to Amar Singh. Amar Singh mentors Kushagra to become a good leader and show mature aggression. In this call Amar Singh also speaks about, how he went around to frame the policy so as to favor Bajaj Hindustan. He is also told to be at peace with other leaders in UP namely Vivek and Dhruv, clealy indicating his interest lies in all the business groups rather than one particular group.
Kushagra Bajaj is the vice-chairman of Bajaj Group. He is a leading industrialist and his nexus with Amar Singh helped him to grow much stronger in the sugar industry.
News report of the sugar policy implemented by UP. Also states Sharad Pawar's concern with such a policy http://articles.economictimes.indiatimes.com/2005-10-12/news/27475734_1_up-sugar-mills-factories-budhana
ISMA - Indian Sugar mills association
O: Good evening, Mr. Amar Singh's residence.
KB: Kushagra Bajaj speaking. Is sir around?
O: Sir has left.
KB: Is Tarun around?
O: I will look for Tarun, sir.
[call kept on hold]
Tarun (T): Hello?
KB: Yes, Tarun, this is Kushagra.
T: Yes, sir. Good evening, sir.
KB: Please tell sir that I had called to congratulate and thank him.
T: Okay, I will tell him.
O: The operator was telling me he is not at home. Right?
T: No no, sir. I think he has just come back. He is calling from home. I will check if he is back in the office.
T: Then I will transfer the call, okay?
KB: Yes, yes.
T: Yes. And thank you very much for the Diwali greetings, sir. Thank you so very much, sir.
T: And on behalf of sir, happy Diwali to you and your family.
KB: Thank you, Tarun. Thank you.
T: Thank you so much. We are all very touched, sir.
Kb: Thank you.
T: I will check. One second.
[call kept on hold]
KB: Dada, this is Kushagra.
Am: Yes, tell me, Kusha.
KB: Dada, thanks a lot. The policy has been cleared.
KB: I just called to... I don't know what I called to tell you only. I just got a call from Sharma ji, that it has been cleared in the meeting with the Chief Secretary.
[continues] We will get the Eligibility Certificate tomorrow. He had received a call from Rahul Bhatnagar. So I just called to... what do I say to you...
Am: There is only one thing I have to say, beta. I should not be... do not take it otherwise,
Am: Nobody is closer to me than you are. I am telling you... if you want, for your safety or protection, keep whoever you want, keep in touch with Salman, keep in touch with the BJP...
[continues] I had told you earlier itself that you should. I am giving it to you in black and white: no one can do things for you like I do. Whatever you wish will happen, as long as I remain in power.
KB: Dada, what are you saying, I consider you my father, not a politician, not a member of Samajwadi Party. I told you...
Am: Listen to me, that is why I want...
KB: I have more faith... I say this from my heart. This is not emotional. I am saying it after considerable thought. I have blind faith in you.
Am: That is why I am telling you, that you get all your work done. Because if we do not remain in power, it is not reversed.
[continues] The way that you have grown (your size has increased), nobody will be able to touch [you].
KB: That's true, dada.
Am: Once you are set, no-one can uproot you. The Eligibility Certificate has been received. Then you can get sugar policy done by yourself.
KB: That is right. Now we'll begin to get money, that will be a subsidiary point. The bigger point from a long term perspective is that because the policy is valid for 10 years, so we have become eligible.
[continues] So if the ISMA files any legal case, I too have a right to be heard in the Court independently of the government of UP.
Am: Suppose the government changes and they do not cooperate with you...
KB: Forget that, dada. I don't foresee any chance of this happening. But even when this government is in power, if the ISMA files a case, tomorrow, day after or any time,
[continues] then there are two parties now - one is the government of UP and another me. I can go and say that the government of UP made the policy and based on that I invested.
[continues] What is my fault in this?
Am: This is to tell you that Rahul Bhatnagar and Rabdi has done it and not Meera.
KB: No no, absolutely. For me, not Rahul Bhatnagar. Amar Singh, there is only one person.
Am: Yes, so...
KB: Meera and Rahul Bhatnagar are nothing. Had you not spoken to the Chief Secretary, Deepak Singhal ji, and to Atul Chaturvedi, then what could Rahul Bhatnagar have done?
Am: No, no, I have talked to each and every one, that there should be no drama, baba.
KB: I am... I had already told you... and if I ever get a chance in life, I do not know if I can ever repay you in gratitude even 1% of what you have done for me, then I would die in peace.
[continues] I am telling you the truth from the bottom of my heart.
Am: I have only this request of you - not because of Vivek - as a leader, you should fix a meeting.
Am: I mean, with Vivek and Dhruv too.
Am: For example, in my party I abuse two persons most and endure their abuse the most: One Beni Prasad Varma and Pandey.
[continues] because I think I am so big than them [in stature] that I should ignore them.
Am: I am not saying that you curb your growth, but to be truly a leader, if someone were to request you with folded hands... I only want to supplicate that all four of us should have a meeting.
KB: Definitely dada. Whenever and whatever you say.
Am: And without aggression... the way you went and had a meal at K K Birla's house...
[continues] and said, "Dadaji, we will have to do this". Similarly, you just tell them, "Vivek, we will have to do this", "Bhai Dhruv, we will have to do this".
Am: And you are also free to come into our area...
KB: Dada, I do not have any problem at all with Dhruv. With him, everything is settled. We talk every 2-3 days. Sometimes I call, sometimes he does.
Am: OK then, you, I and Vivek should meet.
KB: Let's get along Dhruv also because he is also...
Am: Look, I am concerned because you are all close. After this eligibility certificate, I have done my duty towards your family.
Am: I have helped you grow, prepared the sugar policy according to what you said, implemented it and started the project,
[contines] overcome the lacunae and got the eligibility. My major responsibility is over.
KB: Yes, sir.
Am: Now my responsibility is that I should not be branded as I only work for Bajaj Hindustan.
KB: That's correct.
Am: Other industrialists should think that I am in the business of governance also. Even though it is correct I only work for you...
It should be perceived differently
It should be perceived in a different way
K: It should be perceived other way
Am: It should be perceived the other way. The day CII had NRI convention, there I made Dhruv talk not you
KB: That's right.
Am: So it is necessary that you have to be dignified, focussed, polite and straight.
KB: Yes, it should perceived the other way.
Am: It should be perceived the other way. In the NRI convention, I made Dhruv talk and not you.
KB: All right.
Am: The way you fixed Dhruv without considering anything... I am not talking to you about KK Birla or others.
KB: No, even with KK Birla, I have gone with my head bowed respectfully and apologized.There was no question of raising the voice
Am: So we will do the same with these people too.
KB: Let's do it with them. I have no issues.
Am: Okay, let's talk to them.
KB: Dada, I am telling you, I am in the factory just now. From the factory, I will give you a blank power of attorney. What more can I do?
Am: No no, that's okay. Be mature than [showing] aggression.
KB: Okay, dada. Okay, dada.
Am: Matured aggression.
KB: Okay, dada.
Am: Okay, boss.
KB: Thank you, dada. Thank you very much.