Radia Tapes: 125 - Radia, G Ganapathy Subramanium (09:39:16)
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Ring tone (Pal pal pal...)
Ganu : Hi, so finally...
Ganu : ...everything has come to a stop now.
Ganu : Haan
Niira: Kya hai bhai
(What's going on)? (sound resembling key presses on mobile). G-g Ganu?
Ganu : Haan
Niira: Kya hua bhai
? You people didn't... didn't take care?
Ganu : No. No, no. We did everything and I mean in fact that turned out to be counter-productive.
Ganu: First I...they were ok with carrying both the things without front page... little...on the inside, both side by side, with a little window pointer on the front page. So after we spoke and people pointed out that this is a more important story... this that... I think there's some fight that has happened, you know... Delhi versus Bombay... and some and you know everyday there are complaints from both sides. So for, for sometime they're going to now resign from publishing anything on this.
Niira: I don't think so. Because I was told that TK Arun didn't even know about this story.
Ganu : TK?
Niira: TK Arun...
Ganu : Haan
Niira: ...didn't even know. Bodhi ...held it back.
Ganu : Na
... It was only...It was only with Bodhi. It never went to TK Arun.
Niira: Yea, but it is a... (inaudible) it's a Delhi story.
Ganu : Yea... But you know, it doesn't necessarily move like that, na
Ganu: There's another person in Bombay, you might be knowing called Shaji.
Ganu : Shaji, Shaji.
Ganu : So, it is coordinated by Shaji Vikraman and Bodhi in Bombay.
Niira: Haan, haan
Ganu : Otherwise it is coordinated by TK Arun and Javed in Delhi. But this one was... err... specifically at the instruction of Rahul now it is being coordinated from Bombay. And last night since their were so many claims and counter-claims ...and since some of the guys, these guys went and told them after we spoke...
Ganu : You know, that how can this be, you know, compared to that. This is far more important and all that.
Ganu : Then they said this this this... too much of confusion happening because of this.
Ganu: Everyday there are complaints from one side or other. So...
Niira: But here we didn't, I didn't, I haven't spoken to anyone other than I spoke to Rohini and Venk-..Venu.
Ganu : Haan
Niira: Just now to understand what's happening.
Ganu : No they're, they're calling up and complaining everyday na
(isn't it)? First they...
Niira: Yea but then, Ganu tell me one thing. If they do lie...
Ganu : Hmmm...
Niira: ...and if they do wrong...
Ganu : Hmmm...
Niira: ...then what will happen? Won't they, won't people report on it? Isn't that journalism?
Ganu : No no no, exactly. I asked... What they're saying is - On the EGoM story, they vehemently went and complained after we wrote that saying that you know they are only trying to undermine our case- by saying that the government has to you know play a role and all that.
Ganu : Then I think on-on on the other story, on the day when it went to the court where they made a hodge podge of it, I think there were some complaints from your side. I don't know who made those complaints.
Niira: No, we never made any complaint.
Ganu : Woh keh raha hai ki us din ka
(He was saying that the other day) there were some complaints, objections from your side.
Niira: Not at all. We've not made any complaints, we've not talked to anyone. On the contrary, I've been so co-operative by
giving edit pieces of Mukesh Ambani everything.
Ganu : Hmmm, hmmm.
Ganu : And as as as a result, kal andar bhi kaafi kuchh
(internally also there were), you know, firing of volleys from here and there bohot hua hai
(has happened a lot). So as a result, as a result, they've not carried both the reports that whatever, that koi
(some) Agarwal lawyer no, some whatever, his statement and this - both have been stopped yesterday, last night.
Niira: Yea, but whatever Agarwal said was in interest of ADAG to stop in any case because-I'm told the ADAG has really bashed him for saying that in the first place.
Ganu : Ohh...
Niira: 'Cause that weakens his case to the government.
Ganu : Hmmm, hmmm, hmmm...
trading and all that he has said that na
Ganu : Hmmm...this is what I heard from my guys in the desk. The guy staff ...the insiders who sit in office late at night.
Niira: No, so I'm told now, that what you're telling me now is that ET is not going to carry anything in the court case at all?
Ganu : No, no, no... not like that. There ...only wherever there are some court orders or something whatever, only major things they're going to report, otherwise...
Niira: So the GVK writes, the state government writes, the government writes - none of this is gonna get carried?
Ganu : I think, I think that is what they're coming to.
Niira: Wow!... Chalo
(come), we'll go to HT then.
Ganu : Or, you speak to Ravi once na
, and ask him ki
(that) what is this, I mean...
Niira: I'm not going to... I'm just gonna go. I'm meeting Raghav today, and we'll just handle it with CNBC and with Mint and HT.
Ganu : Hmmm...
Niira: It's perfectly fine. We don't need to... it's fine! If ET wants to stay out of it and not be part of the reporting...
Ganu : Hmmm...
Niira: So it's fine.
Ganu : Err... it'll be, it'll be entirely their loss, But at the same time you should not, you know, give them an opportunity. What these guys will do after a couple of days, I will, they will try and come and jump back saying we will... I told you na
, already they have said to some of the people in my office- that we will provide you all things, in advance this that blah blah blah, blah blah blah...
Ganu: Theek hai
(Alright) I'll I'll...
Niira: Carry their point of view na
. We will not give anything to ET Now.
Ganu : Hmmmm... that's what is going to happen. I think the kind of cussed stand that is being taken, I think,
ultimately it is coming to that.
Niira: Oh, it suits ET and Rahul and people like that very much because obviously the case is not going to go in their favour, because they've got a point of law that is not going to be in their favour, so we'll see. Theek hai na
, doesn't matter Ganu, we'll see. I'll make sure that we'll work through CNBC, HT and Mint.
Ganu : And I think, funnily what they've done is, they've led a TV report on this but not the paper.
Niira: Nahi karenge
(They won't do it, Ganu, we want print).
Ganu : Hmmmm...I know, I know.
Niira: I'll do a deal between CNBC and HT. I have no issue.
Ganu : I, I, I think that is the kind of message that is coming through. But once I get the confirmation, I'll tell you whether this is going to be the permanent position or what it is like.
Niira: No, if that is the case then we will...(laughingly) then fine na
... it's their call.
Ganu : No but I think, I think, today you should, you know, tell Venu that you know, at least a couple of times yesterday it was mentioned to them and late at night messages were sent from several people. And you know now they're saying internally this has become a fight dividing factor. You know, they're saying that internally this is dividing people internally blah blah blah whatever.
Niira: Because, because, because you've got people like Javed and everybody who's on their side no.
Ganu : Haan woh aisa
(Yes, that)...there is some kind of gadbad
(hodge podge) like that.
Niira: Hmmm, hmmm, hmmm.
Ganu : So, But ultimately, it... the management and Rahul have to, you know, take a stand on this and, you know, see... We should, we should not go by what people say. we should go by what the factual position is.
Ganu : So that is the entire fight about (sic).
Niira: Hmmm...Theek hai
Ganu : I'll, I'll keep you updated in the afternoon.
Ganu : OK.
Niira: OK, Ganu, thanks, bye.