Radia Tapes: 087 - Radia, Jehangir Pocha
Duration: 00:06:55; Aspect Ratio: 1.250:1; Lightness: 0.078; Volume: 0.187; Cuts per Minute: 2.164; Words per Minute: 155.493
Data leaks, all the time. A chink or rupture in the system, leaks such as the Radia Tape(s) offer us a view of the 'everyday lifestyle of corporate India', the not-so-strange and cozy bedfellows that Big Media, Big Politics, and Big Corporations make.
Radia, (no irony to her name) was the lobbyist for TATA and Reliance India Ltd, India's 2 largest corporate houses. 200 of her government-tapped phone conversations leaked out into the media...are we listening?
Phone rings (Pal, pal pal har pal)
Radia: Hi, how are you?
Jehangir: HT gave you a backhanded apology.
Radia: When? Oh yes, I saw that, yes. Anupama Airy. What they are saying about Harish Salve...we don't want to react to that.
Radia: Even BS has written Chinese whispers about Harish Salve, we don't want to respond to that. There's a reason for it, because what...you know...because, that's a very important point. And we will respond to it in appropriate time.
Radia: They can write what they want, it's okay. I think.. my only worry is about the way the client behaves. Because, you know, I think they are still living in a bit of a time capsule of decades ago.
Radia: And they think that the media today reacts differently and you know... you can handle the media...you know, I have handled eight crises I was going through them all last night, my team...and we handled so many crises in our lives, that we do things with dignity and I tried to explain this to MM that you have to come out of this with dignity, not with the...you know, that you can do what they can do also -
Radia: You have to express your point, you have to explain it. You have to do it that way and you have to do it very clean. You can't start shouting at people and you can't start buying people off and you can't do things like that. You can't say I will pay for my coverage or my viewpoint because you have a strong case. You know, the other side is doing it.
Radia: I had quite a thing with him yesterday about it. Their view is we should do it in a particular way, we should do this, we should have everything that is said, our word...you know, we should be writing the headlines and we should be writing the...every line, every thing, all that...woh nahin hota hai
(that doesn't happen) baby. Yeh log bhi
...Today the system's not like that na
Jehangir: I actually think that given they lost the case, they have come through pretty well.
Radia: Yeah, yeah, they have come through very well but I think that our silence has been very good because, they are so desperate- yesterday they got their lawyer on every channel..
Radia: They were leaking out letters, saying we have written and they have not responded.. then the lawyer went hammer and tongs against us yesterday on every channel.
Radia: And he still maintained a very comfortable silence... saying theek hai
, (okay) we have got time, we will respond. What's the hurry? Why're you getting desperate? I will just tell you, had I left it to MM, he would have issued a statement immediately.
Radia: Yeh karo, nahin nahin band karo inko! Yeh karo, woh karo
(Stop this! Do this! Do that!) I am very glad, MD agreed with me, because he said, Niira, you think like me... he always says that, him and his words.
Radia: You know, he yes, he is hurting them...the silence is hurting them. They are getting desperate. Hum karenge jo hame karna hai
(We'll do what we have to do.) We have got a very good case.
Jehangir: When is Tata Power announcing its thing?
Radia: Uska humne hold pe kar liya tha. Aaj kal mein kar denge (We had put it on hold, they will do it today or tomorrow.)
Radia: I was very late. Reached at 4.30 in the morning. Finally when I came back I had to deal with something which was to do with that Brazil asset for Tata Steel. I finished working on that paperwork till like 4 o'clock.
Radia: 'Cause Yatish is not....otherwise I would check it out in the office na
when I'm in Delhi ...I mean, Yatish will do it and I will check it in office.. and all that. He will bring it in front of me and I will get time to do it. But here toh
I don't get time sitting in that Maker, to do anything!
Radia: I came home by 12.30 and then sat through and Yatish worked late in Delhi and while he was drafting I was looking at it.
Radia: How are you, darling?
Jehangir: I am fine.
Radia: I am working everyday this week - Saturday, Sunday included.
, work. Everyday there's a meeting. Even now, from morning I have been on the phone since 9 o'clock. I got up at quarter to 9 with a severe headache.
Radia: And I've been on the phone and phone and phone...multiple issues, also, Tatas. I am doing a historic thing today- I am taking my one client to meet the other one.
Jehangir: Oh really?
Radia: Yeah, but nothing...no discussion on it. please haan
! Taken me long, long to convince.. it's been very difficult to convince your friend.
Jehangir: So, what did you finally tell him?
Radia: No, I talked some sense into him yesterday. I met him again yesteday.
Radia: And I said to him, that you don't recognize that this disparity will hurt you? Forget about the...forget about everything else. Forget about if they are right or wrong, whether they are doing is for themselves, whether they are doing is for this or whatever.. they may tomorrow come together or whatever.. how does that matter to us? What matters to us is the disparity, is the input cost. If they make it, it will not make you competitive!
Radia: Just focus on that!
Jehangir: Tell me, where are they doing it?
Radia: I can't tell you that.
Jenhangir: But he agreed to go or...
Radia: Not on the call.
Jehangir: Good. Well, I hope it goes well.
Jehangir: I hope it goes well.
Radia: I am sure it will.
Radia: I'll tell you, I'll tell you. Call me when you are on a landline. On my landline.
Jehangir: Okay, meow.
Radia: You have my landline number?
Jehangir: Umm...I will speak to you in the evening, I am just heading into the office. We will talk about it afterwards, tell me how it goes. Hope it goes well, I wish well for it.
Radia: Yeah it's in the later part of the day today.
Jehangir: So, we will talk in the night na
, when we finish.
Radia: I have a dinner in the evening at 8.30...it has to do with their matter only, we are meeting somebody who I know is going to handle something.
Jehangir: So whenever you are done you phone me, I won't bother you then. You call me whenever you -