Radia Tapes: (20090529-200611) Radia, Manoj Modi
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In a conversation with Reliance's Manoj Modi, Niira discusses a bunch of NGOs being considered to file litigation and PILs. 'Look Into It, This Will Be A Very High-Profile, High-Tensile Case'
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Pal pal pal pal...(Phone rings)
Niira Radia: Hello.
Manoj Modi: Hi, Niira.
MM: How are you?
NR: I'm fine, Manoj, how are you?
MM: I'm fine. This, Raja is with me...
NR: Uh huh.
MM: He was just discussing about this...our litigation, demerger and some other PIL he has in mind.
MM: Now this NGO, you are sure no, because see, we have this one NGO, that Ramjibhai Mavani, who had done earlier for our power business...
MM: And second, the one that you have identified from Delhi.
MM: So I am fine with either, whatever is your comfort and preference.
NR: Well my feedback on these people is quite good, I mean, I've understood them and they're quite okay, I don't get a sense that there is anything uh...I don't think there's anything to worry about.
so, because see, like this Rajkot guys toh
we know that nothing will go wrong, and here also even if it doesn't go wrong, it is better to have a new person involved. But if you have even iota of doubt then we should look here, because this is going to be a very high-profile and high-tensile case.
NR: Well, they are already registered na,
Manoj, with the uh...they are a registered NGO.
MM: No, that is fine, registered NGO is fine, but they should not back out na,
(no,) at a later -
NR: No, Manoj, I...to be honest with you, I don't know them personally, I know the guy, though. I've had him spoken to from somebody very, very...who he listens to and I don't think he'll ever go back on his word.
MM: You don't know them personally?
NR: No, I know who...the guy who owns the...one of them, I know one of them, there are five of them there. The other gentleman is a JNU guy, I don't think he'll backtrack. I think he's extremely credible from what I've got his reference check on him, they're serious guys. Inhone
DLF kiya tha,
DLF ne pura inke upar zor laga liya tha, lekin unhone
revert...they did not go back. (They did DLF, DLF put pressure on them but they did not go back.) Even when they offered them money.
MM: Why don't you do your due diligence and finally, I'll go...
NR: I've done, I've done that. That's why I only approached it when I did the due diligence. So when I saw ki isne
DLF ke saath
backtrack nahin kiya hai
(So when I saw that they did not backtrack with DLF), and I know the sort of the pressure DLF had put on them...
MM: Anyway, DLF ka
pressure ek rahta hai,
(Anyway, DLF's pressure is one thing,) you know I don't have to tell you anything about our guys na,
our guys (put) more pressure.
NR: Haan, haan,
(Yes, yes,) Manoj, my sense is very...how much time do we have?
MM: (discusses with Raja) Raja?
Raja: (muffled) - next 2-3 days...
MM: Next 2-3 days, you have to decide, so I will go by your judgment finally. See I, I mean, we want to do 2-3-4 things, we have to...
NR: Manoj main usko
personally nahin jaanti
doubt nahin hai uske upar.
(Manoj, I don't know him personally but I have no doubts about him.) I can tell you that because I think the guy's credible, comes from very credible background. And I don't think he's the sort of guy to manoeuvre.
Raja/MM: Niira, if there is more than one, there should not be a pressure on others and all that, that is...
NR: Nahin nahin nahin nahin nahin
(No, no no no no no)...basically the key guys are three of them, of which I know one very well personally. That I can tell you uska, woh kabhi nahin
backtrack karega, doosra
JNU ka hai,
very credible man, sardar hai, woh hilega nahin aise. I don't think so woh hilega. Mujhe bilkul nahin uske upar
doubt. (That I can tell you about him, he will never backtrack, the other guy is from JNU, very credible man, he's a sardar, he won't waver. I have no doubts about him.)
(And) the third guy is absolutely cool. And he knows my, one of my employees, Daljeet, very well. That's how this whole thing got put together. So when he came to me with the names, I did a check on them.
NR: Then I made Sunil Arora talk to them, kyunki woh
Sunil ko bahut achchhi tarah se jaante hain
(because he knows Sunil very well). And I know when Sunil steps in...whenever he's given me a reference, he's never been wrong, Manoj. At least till today, I've never seen, mujhe koi
doubt nahin hai inpe.
(I have no doubts about them.)
MM: Because see, just so that you know, when we were doing this Power, they had gone to Ramjibhai Mavani also. They had reached his home and taken all kinds of bags.
NR: Haan, haan,
(Yes, yes) I understand that, I understand woh karenge, maine yeh sab soch ke hi kiya tha
Manoj. (I understand that they'll do that, I thought about this and then took a course of action, Manoj.)
MM: Haan toh woh,
(Yes, so that), see because kya hai,
in this case it is so important for us, you understand. So my preference is to do with them primarily because I don't want the same guy to do it directly, then another...we want to have another general PIL also that we will have... them... do it.
NR: Donon se kar lete hain na
Manoj, yeh bhi aayega na, yeh bhi to hai na.
(Let's get it done from both, no, Manoj. He'll also come no, he's there too.)
MM: Haan, haan,
means apne ko toh do-teen cheez karni hai, to har ek cheez alag alag aadmi se lade toh
better hai na.
(Yes yes, I mean, we have to do two-three things, so if we fight each thing with a different man, it'll be better, won't it.)
NR: Better hai
,(It's better) much better, otherwise it doesn't become credible na?
MM: That is what I'm saying, that is precisely what I'm saying. Isliye aap ek baar phir bhi,
(So for this reason you please once more) you...finish your Vaishno Devi visit. And then during that time you just assess it once more, in your mind also, doesn't matter, you think about it.
MM: Then Raja will go ahead and file, because Raja, I'm giving him all the green signal for going and getting all the documents ready and petitions ready and everything.
NR: Hmm, perfect, what I'll do is I'll also talk to my team also, and I'll speak to Sunil one more time, mujhe