Radia Tapes: (20090531-205054) Radia with Atul

Duration: 00:08:54; Aspect Ratio: 1.250:1; Lightness: 0.088; Volume: 0.311; Cuts per Minute: 4.600; Words per Minute: 204.656

In this May 31, 2009 conversation, Radia tries to manipulate the media against Anil Ambani's RCom. She talks to one of her colleagues Atul, who looks after regional and vernacular media, trying to highlight some development in Jammu where RCom is involved but the police have not named them. While Atul says that he believes they (RCom) have managed the SSP, Radia says: "Unless the media puts pressure on the SSP to name the operator," RCom will escape this. Also talks about informing the DoT about this, not through the media but "on their own".

http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?268618

Sound of the ringtone (Pal pal pal pal har pal har pal.. kaise katega pal.. )

Radia: Hi Atul.
Atul: (Inaudible) Usko pata yeh sab jo ho raha hai? (Does he know all this that is happening?)

Radia: Umm...usko SMS de diya hai
(Umm.. I have sent him an SMS)

Atul: Chalo main bhej deta hoon uskao, waise bhi uska bureau shayad wahaan se file kar raha hai (Okay, I'll send it to him. Anyway, his bureau might be filing it from there.)
Radia: Hmm.. what about the others?
Atul: Huh?
Radia: Baki? (Others?)

Atul: Actually Jammu media is following at it primarily because jo bhi yahan pe tha woh sab logon ne apne apne bureaus ko haan keh diya, Jammu mein (whatever was here, they all have sent their bureaus to Jammu) to follow it up..
Niira: But what people like times, AP...?
Atul: and shyaam ko (in the evening) I think they have managed that guy, SSP... J P Singh..

Atul: I was talking to a reporter from Sahara who is the bureau chief from there. They said he is in Delhi only. Toh wo banda jo hai, (inaudible) manage karenge (Roughly translates to: That guy is such that he will be managed.) The way he has written the press release.. toh usne RCom ka kahin yeh sab generalize kar diya.. (he has generalized everything.)

Radia: No, agreed, but he has already got a - RCom ka already aa chuka hai na (but RCom's this has already arrived right?)
Atul: Haan aaj subah Hindi media man tha wahan pe (Yes.. today the Hindi media man was there).
Radia: Haan (Yes)
Atul: Dainik Jagran ki front page hui thi (Dainik Jagran front page was there today)
Radia: So media knows this is RCom na so that continuity can be there, that it was RCom that was in question, na?

Atul: Anyway that Indian Express and Amar Ujala and Dainik Jagran.. they are doing...jo unme story kari thi woh follow up story woh aise bhi kar rahein hai ki (the follow up story they're doing..) that FIR has been registered against all those guys.. but the problem was that in the evening, aadha ghanta pehle officially press release issue kar diya jisme inhone kisi ka naam nahin liya (Now half an hour ago they officially issued a press release in which they have not mentioned anyone's name)..

Atul: Aur generalize kar diya (and they have generalized).. Aur militant ka jo angle tha, woh bhi angle hata diya (And they even removed the militant angle!)..usne keh diya ki (they said that) the only reason they was that they were trying to earn some more profit out of this.

Radia: But that's even worse na. DOD ko press release jaana hi chahiye (And the press release should go to DOD right?)
Atul: Woh toh kal hum logon ko karna padega alag se (Yes. That they will have to do separately tomorrow.) through media we can't do this.. unofficially hum woh press release wahaan bhej sakte hain aur yeh aaya yahaan, (we can send that press release there.. and this one can come here...)

Radia: Rohit(?) ko kehna Chandolia ke paas sab dossier articles ka joh Jammu se aaya hai, tum download karwalu BIE (?) se (The articles which are with Chandolia, you get -- to download them).. we have somebody in Jammu right, who does our tracking?

Atul: Otherwise main media se...voh mera personal hi hai vahan pe...(I have a personal contact there)
Radia: Okay okay.. if you just get somebody to send you all the articles, both Hindi and this thing..ek pura dossier jo aaj aya...aaj to sab jageh front pages tha vahan pe, woh manga ke...plus jo kal aayega and the press release ka ek dossier, Rohit ko kehna ki Minister ke private secretary ke paas bhijwa de (A complete dossier of what was on the front pages there today.. get those, plus of that which will come tomorrow and the press release.. tell Rohit to get them sent to the private secretary of the Minister.)

Radia: Aur ek mere liye copy rakh lena, main kal dopahar ko Minister ko milne jaa rahi hoon. main khud de doongi usko..
(And keep one copy for me.. I'll give it myself when I go across to meet him). But then also let us.. yeah we have managed it very well.
Atul: Yes yes, they have managed it. Woh shyaam ko actually statement toh bhej diya tha(inaudible) (That statement has been sent in the evening -inaudible-) They have denied that apna official koi involve nahin tha vendor ya koi yeh tha, pata nahin koi middle man hoga jo arrest hua hai, is taraha ke statement diya tha unhone.(none of our officials are involved, must have been some vendor or middle man who has been arrested, such a statement was given.) But I believe that they have managed SSP also.

Atul: Let's discuss...chalo kuch aur karte hain (let's do something else..)
Radia: Unless the media puts pressure on the SSP to name the operator.
Atul: (Inaudible) Sahara ka woh...lekin Sahara ka problem kya hai ki RCom ka (inaudible) (-Inaudible- Sahara's problem is that RCom -inaudible-)
Radia: Sahara ka toh relationship bilkul nahi hai Anil ke saath (Sahara has no relationship with Anil).

Atul: No?
Radia: No.. Amar Singh..
Atul: Yeh sara ka sara information usi ne mujhe nikal ke diya (All this information was extracted and given by them only.)
Radia: No no of Sahara's relationship with Amar Singh is over right?

Atul: Usko nahin pata hoga kyunki woh top level pe hota hoga and yeh neeche ki level pe hoga so he's not aware of that (He does not know because this must be happening at the top level and this guy is at the lower level.)

Radia: No be he should be told. It's been over a long time ago. Sahara's been doing a lot of MTNL stories.
Atul: The problem is that he stays in Jammu so he doesn't know what other developments are happening in Delhi and elsewhere.
Radia: Toh usko bata do na (Then tell him).

Atul: Main bol doonga usko. Yeh sara information usi ne mujhe nikal ke diya. Woh release ka mail bana ke sab kuch uski ne diya mujhe (Okay I will tell him right now. He extracted all the information for me. He made a mail of the release and sent it to everyone).

Radia: Rohit ko bolo woh Rabinder ko Star mein phone kare. Pehle tum Star wale correspondent se baat karo na (Tell Rohit to call Rabinder in Star. First talk to the correspondent in Star)..That he should also speak to the SSP and also ask him who is the operator. Today papers have reported RCom. Are you investigating more than one operator?

Atul: Nahin uski ne mujhe bataya ki RCom ka hai woh. Yeh saare Rcomm ke hai yeh usi ne mujhe bataya. Uske baad jo press release aayi hai, usi ne mujhe diya ki press release aayi hai
(No the person who was talking told me that he is of Rcomm. He told me that these all belong to Rcomm. Then he told me about the press release that came later).. The point is that officially the SSP prime is saying and he is not naming any operator.

Atul: Then the problem for the publication is that.. if an official press release comes which does not have any operator's name, then publication cannot go on their own and publish the name of any operator.. that is the problem.

Atul: Yeh officially press release aaya tha jisme kisi ka bhi naam nahin hai. Kal jo bhi kuch hua tha usme official kuch nahin tha (Because officially a press release came without any name on it.. whatever was there yesterday had nothing official about it) .. in fact Dainik Jagran also had it on the front page today... in Jammu..
Radia: In Dainik Jagran too RCom has come?

Atul: Haan woh front page pe diya wahan pe... aur PTI bhi kuch kiya tha kal wahaan pe... inka toh pata hai ma'am ki woh jo Pathak hai woh involve ho jata hai (Yes yes that has come on the front page... and they had something on the last page too.. we know about them ma'am that Pathak gets involved.) In fact i am in constant touch with Sunil Batra.

Atul: Ab Batra ka kya karne ka hai batao (Now tell me what to do about Batra) .. he also has messed up things..

Atul: Uska kuch karna padega, alag se kuch karenge (we have to do something about him separately.)
Radia: Hmm..Pathak ka toh kuch karna hi padega (We have to do something about Pathak)
Atul: We have two strong groups.. the biggest.. Tatas and RIL.. if we leave them they are not going to give any information to you.

Radia: I think we should start doing them I had told Vishal earlier too..
Atul: Maine Rohit ko bhi kaha hai boss.. agar karna hai toh across the table baith ke negotiate karte hai na
(I have told Rohit too ma'am.. if we have to then let's talk across the table and negotiate..)

Atul: Either do it or negotiate... we are not going to give any information to you. And they can't afford to ignore two big groups.
Radia: That's right.
Atul: Just for the sake of Anil.
Radia: Correct, correct.
Atul: We have to take a strong stand.
Radia: Okay let's do that. I have been saying this to Vishal for a long time.

Atul: We have to take a strong lesson. Let's talk across the table and let's take a call. You want to go ahead with Anil or RIL or Tata. Take a call.
Radia: That's right. Absolutely.

Atul: Otherwise they will take us for granted. And that is what they have been doing. That is precisely what they have been doing.
Radia: Yes yes.. I have been telling Vishal... I have been saying that you know... Mai toh Pathak ke muh nahin lagna chahti
Atul: Ma'am there is no question of talking to Pathak.. Last time when that RCom story happened for a week I was pursuing him.. Sunil started it, and informed Pathak and Pathak abused me and I said I don't care boss..

Atul: If you ran a story against Tatas, then why can't you do this? That report of Kotak, for a week I was branding lies..
Radia: Then do one thing, tell Pathak tomorrow that you tried yesterday. And now, we will have to take a call.
Atul: But what is Pathak's involvement.. ? I have been in touch with this guy Sunil.. I checked with Sunil and sorted out.. but internally we have to take a stand..

Radia: No, I am with you Atul. Let's meet tomorrow, let's just meet at the office.
(Inaudible, both speaking at the same time)
Atul: Let's have a meeting all of us together.. take a call on this and then I will take it forward..
Radia: Correct, correct.. perfect.. we will do that.. okay..

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