Radia Tapes: 081 - Radia, Sunil Arora
Duration: 00:06:11; Aspect Ratio: 1.250:1; Lightness: 0.082; Volume: 0.221; Cuts per Minute: 3.877; Words per Minute: 203.397
Radia: Yeah, I just sent you an SMS, I was about to get on a ..
Radia: I've got to get on a conference call - I was about to get on a conference call...that's why I told you - I said, let me talk to you first because I got your message just now.. nahin nahin
tell me, let's talk, I have got 5 mins...
Radia: No, I am in the middle of this battle you know.. High court ka jo chal raha hai, usmein ek baat samajh nahin aati hai, ki ek
judge, how can he hold family above national interest? (What is going on in the High Court, I can't understand one thing - how can a judge hold a family above national interest?)
Radia: How can he hold a family pact above national interest? Mujhe yeh baat samajh nahin aati hai
(I cannot understand this.)
Sunil: Which case is it?
Anil and Mukesh Ambani ka
(Anil and Mukesh Ambani's) !
Sunil: Gas wallah?
(The gas one?)
Sunil: Order de diya na Supreme Court ne?
(The Supreme court passed the order right?)
Radia: High court !
Sunil: They will win in Supreme court?
Radia: They will of course win in Supreme Court because you know least 328 pages of a judgment, Sunil, maine aaj tak zindagi mein ek High Court judge ko.. haan maine spectrum ke case main dekha tha aisa judgment..
(Till date I have not seen such a judgment, except in the spectrum case).
Radia: Mujhe toh yeh lag raha hai ki yeh
same pendrive.. (I feel it is the same pendrive..)
Sunil: It has to be a hefty amount.
Radia: Yes, I will tell you one thing, you can't believe usne kaise cheezein likhi hai usmein. Usne bola hai ki
(you can't believe the things he has written in it. He has said,) let not anyone think that in our country there are no remedial measures that can be absorbed by the parties.
Radia: Matlab ki Anil Ambani ke paas mai tha, toh
(Meaning if I was with Anil Ambani,) then I am the remedial measure. Basically what Mukesh is saying, okay, after Dhirubhai's death you are entitled to 'X' amount, I agreed to 'X' amount with you. But in the case of Gas, I agree you are entitled to 28 mmscmd but I can't decide the price because it doesn't belong to me.
mmscmd - million metric standard cubic metres a day
Radia: The price should be decided by the government because it's a national asset. I am only an operator. I cannot decide what that price should be.
Sunil: Kal kuch market fluctuation se price aage-peechhe ho jaye, toh
(If the price goes up and down with market fluctuation tomorrow, then -) you can't keep on hanging on to the same price na?
Radia: Haan, but government ne price set kiya 4.2 ka. Yeh keh rahe hai tumne mujhe 2.34 promise kiya jab 2.34 promise hi nahin kiya tha!
(Yes, but the government set a price of 4.2. They say you promised 2.34 when 2.34 was never promised !)
Radia: Humne yeh kaha hai MOU mein ki 2.34 ka price kiya
(We said in the MOU that a price of 2.34 was set) And whatever is the NTPC price, subject to government approval.
Radia: Now NTPC price is questionable because governement after that set the price at 4.2. NTPC is in court. Government says, 'Sorry we have already set the price at 4.2 !' NTPC khud recognise kar raha hai
(itself recognizes) that 4.2 is subject to government approval.. or 2.3
Radia: But he says, so the judge rules that 2.34 is the price. Matlab uski MOU mein 2.34 price likhi hi nahin hai
(Which means that its price is not written as 2.34 in the MOU). Can't believe this judgment. I mean how long will he continue looting the country? I am then suffering in every aspect right?
Sunil: Who was the judge?
Radia: J Patel - Dr. Patel, um, Justice Patel.. J Patel.
Sunil: Who is the lawyer in the Supreme Court?
Radia: Sab the...
(All were there).. Harish Salve, Mukul Rohatgi, Milind Sathe...Mahesh Jethmalani, Ram Jethmalani. Ram and Mahesh were with Anil. And Harish Salve and Milind Sathe were with us.
Radia: I will tell you one thing, Sunil. Maine kabhi aisa loot nahin dekha
(I never saw such looting). In the case of coal, isne diversion karaya coal ka
(they diverted the coal), in - court. High Court mein lose kiya, hum ab Supreme Court mein gaye hain
(We lost in High Court and went to Supreme Court.) Har matter mein yeh tribunal aur High Court tak judgment kara leta hai
(In every matter he gets the judgment done in tribunal and high court).
Radia: Supreme court mein iska (?) ho jata hai
(In Supreme court we get a date). Mujhe samajh nahin aati hai
(So I don't understand), the country hasn't woken up to this or what?
Sunil: Higher judiciary mein corruption bahut ho gayi na!
(There is a lot of corruption in the higher judiciary today !
Radia: Bahut zyaada hai
(Its too much) It's like.. crazy situation.
Sunil: In the sealing cases, one chap had told me that he will get the judgment after one month. And he told me how much he had paid to whom..
Radia: My God!
Sunil: I said yaar tu mazak kar raha hai
(you must be kidding). He said main aapko bata raha hoon ye judgement hai
, (I'll show you, this is the judgement) and he broadly outlined the judgement..
, this is to be pronounced after one month. To aap dekh lena, main khud hi copy le aaoonga uski...tab
next time jab ho jayegi, woh le aaya
copy....(So, you see, I'll bring you a copy myself the next time it's done. He brought the copy over, he showed me, that order. He had paid 9 CR...as he claimed, at the residence-
Radia: Kaun tha yeh?
(Who was this?)
Sunil: I mean this litigant had paid 9 crores to that High court judgment, in Delhi.
Radia: Good God!
Sunil: This is what he claimed ki
(that) he had paid at his home.
Radia: Kaun sa judgment tha
(Which judgment was this?)
Sunil: Koi tha, land, real estate ka
(Was something on real estate, land.)
Radia: Pathetic ha
Radia: Yeh hai na, yeh
Upendar Rai ka jo
brother in law. jo bhi hai
some cousin brother.. Pradeep Rai.. Woh yehi toh kaam karta hai
(Upendar Rai's brother-in-law / cousine brother, whoever he is, this is the work he does).
Sunil: And this gentleman ultimately became Chief Justice!
Radia: My God!
Sunil: Jisne judgement diya tha,
(The one who gave this judgment,) he became CJ (Chief Justice)! Abhi retire hua tha.
Vijender Jain naam bhi deta hoon,...
(I tell you his name too)
, I know...
Sabharwal ka khaas aadmi tha
(He retired just now.. right hand man of Sabharwal..)
Radia: Haan uske upar toh problem hua tha na abhi beech mein
(Yes, a problem had occured just lately regarding this right?)
Sunil: Nahin par woh ban gaya CJ. ab toh CJ ban ke retire bhi ho gaya!
(Yes but he became Chief Justice, and now he is even retired!) Kya farak pada?
(What difference did it make?)
Sunil: Aap Delhi mein ho?
(Are you in Delhi?)
Radia: Yes, because I am going to Bombay on Monday.
Sunil: Sushil had given me a call. That entire message has been conveyed to those guys. He says that things are not that hopeless. The outcome may be okay.
Sunil: Arrey usne phone kiya tha aapko.. doosra number diya tha uspe..
(Oh, he had called you on the other number you had given me)